Boris from the Claude Code team here. Historically Claude Code has not done secret scrubbing (there are many good tools for that), but we are looking into what we can do to prevent this.
That said, a few thoughts:
1. .claude/settings.local.json is meant to stay local. This is not a file you should check into source control. We automatically gitignore it when Claude creates the file, so in this case the files were manually created and checked in (docs: https://code.claude.com/docs/en/settings)
2. Permission rules are old hat. Everyone should be using auto mode instead. It is safer and also does not require manually maintaining finicky allow/deny lists. Auto mode is enabled by default and is included for free in all plans.
3. Regardless of what agent you use, you should have secret scanning enabled. GitHub and other source control hosts offer it. There are many threat models that it protects against and you should absolutely use it if you can. (see https://github.com/security/plans)
futhey 10 hours ago [-]
I'm not here to be critical, but the hoops you have to jump through to get Claude out of .env is more than it should be. You basically need an agent to write it if it's anything complicated, like, allow .env.example but not .env.*.
Whereas that should probably be default on instead, and this should apply to other known sensitive folders. A simpler system like .agentignore would be even better.
I like auto mode but "the agent supervises itself" is a bad compliance/safety answer on its own.
eddy162 6 hours ago [-]
Saying the answer is auto mode almost feels insulting as a developer. Claude loves showing me the most obscure bash commands where it hides its edits to numerous files and runs who knows what that there's barely a time where I don't have to ask it to use edit mode and to show human-readable bash commands. Using Claude has become a fight in maintaining control over how my codebase works so that I'm not dependent on Claude to do literally anything.
bcherny 4 hours ago [-]
Genuinely want to understand this better. Are you saying you would prefer that Claude used the Edit tool for file edits rather than using Bash (if so, I am curious why)? Or are you saying you don’t like the code Claude generates (if so, what model are you using what what kind of codebase do you work on)? Or did I misunderstand what you meant.
miki123211 1 hours ago [-]
not the OP, but generally, if you don't want to / can't use auto mode for some reason, you want Claude to make its actions as reviewable as possible.
Recent GPT and Claude models have this tendency of using super complex Bash commands. This makes sense, if your RL rewards optimize for min(tokens) and max(performance), it is better to waste a few tokens on a complex inline Bash script that runs a few commands at a time and returns just the output you need, rather than doing one simple command per turn and paying the cache read on every turn, like older models used to do.
This, however, is a problem both for command reviewability and sandboxing. With the older way of doing things, without auto mode, most commands would run sandboxed just fine (especially in Codex), and you would only be asked for approval when a command couldn't run in the sandbox. With everything being stuffed into one complex script, almost every script fails in the sandbox and requires you to manually approve it, and the complexity of the script makes it hard to understand what you're actually approving.
In other words, new models optimize for effectiveness, with some attention paid to human understandability of their output, but almost no attention paid to human understandability of tool call arguments (Bash, inline Python). This suits auto mode and giving the model larger tasks, but not the way of working that some people prefer where you watch over the model's shoulder.
speleding 3 minutes ago [-]
I have a standing instruction telling the agents to prefer to use ruby wherever possible. Ruby uses fewer tokens than Bash and is easier to read, especially when condensed into a single line.
Of course, that only helps if you’re familiar with ruby. And the agents sometimes still choose Bash regardless of the instruction.
simonjuk 4 hours ago [-]
I have this same frustration. The way I use Claude is for it to make edits one small chunk at a time so I can review the code as it writes, and to make sure it's going on the right direction. I find this much easier than generating a large pr I need to review.
More and more I feel like I'm fighting Claude: it edits multiple files using python scripts and it edits in parallel so if I stop it, I have to stop each individual edit. Both of which I've told it not to do repeatedly, but it still does then apologies which is worse.
BikiniPrince 3 hours ago [-]
This is solvable. Opus has adhd. Myself and others solved this by building ticketing and task management systems. The task constrains the agents actions and focuses the effort. Every update is catalogued. It’s easily reviewed and referenced. Opus doing terrible things and apologizing is not surprising. I’ve moved to a system of multiple agents reviewing and authoring changes. Convergence generally always results in a positive commit.
nyssos 3 hours ago [-]
I feel this way as well, Claude writes completely incomprehensible shell commands all the time. Trying to understand them is like deobfuscating code and I have basically given up, but I'm not happy about it.
Even if I could follow them I would also prefer it use the edit tool, since I find Claude also introduces lots of "minor" changes I did not ask for when it rewrites code in bulk.
grncdr 3 hours ago [-]
I’m also not the poster you’re replying to, but yes, I’d prefer the edit tool over the ad-hoc string replacement scripts Claude seems so fond of. I’m not always reading tool call transcripts (source control diff is usually sufficient), but it’s a lot easier to read the edit tool output than the same thing as quoted shell (or Python, or Ruby) strings.
eviluncle 4 hours ago [-]
Not OP, but if I understand their complaint correctly, they're saying that on auto mode claude does a lot of things in obscure ways with "clever" (i.e non human readable) bash commands that perform multiple operations and OP feels they are losing control over their codebase and so they opt for edit mode where they get to review what commands claude runs.
fmbb 4 hours ago [-]
Editing local files is not where you control your source code I hope.
Just tell Claude to never commit or push.
You are in control of git, Claude is simply a tool to quickly apply changes to local files for something you want.
imtringued 2 hours ago [-]
Nothing more comfortable than having to use git commits and branching just for telling the agent which lines it messed up instead of simply not writing the garbage in the first place.
watwut 3 hours ago [-]
Yes, why should we do the things in easier and more comfortabke way (review small changes) when we can force user into harder one (newest changes mixed with all previous ones).
number6 2 hours ago [-]
I just review the MR
imtringued 2 hours ago [-]
So basically you gave up?
fmbb 2 hours ago [-]
What does this mean?
A Merge Request or Pull Request is the only thing that makes sense to review, and always has been since before LLMs.
If some author tells me “you can review each commit to make it easy” I will ask them to make separate PRs.
treyd 1 hours ago [-]
Yes I always have to tell it to knock it off, it will ignore memories about it while apologizing for ignoring the memory. I want to know what the edits it's making are.
senko 2 hours ago [-]
As a happy Claude Code user (thank you!), I’m genuinely curious why it prefers Bash or Python scripts to the Edit tool for editing a file? as a software engineer, surely the complexity involved is lower for the Edit tool?
Would love to hear the rationale/explanation behind this.
pacoverdi 3 hours ago [-]
Unrelated, but I frequently tell Claude to use the Edit tool instead of bash/python scripts because it regularly times out for 2 minutes because of a mangled heredoc, extra character (-, \, ...) that causes the script to hang.
This instruction is in my toplevel CLAUDE.md but is somehow generally ignored.
gib444 2 hours ago [-]
Which one uses more tokens? That might explain why it's ignored
eastbound 4 hours ago [-]
I tell Claude not to use git or maven, and has a VM without those binaries. Later on, it was trying to push on GitHub. It had downloaded the git binaries from the internet, read my .git repo, used the remotes written in it, performed a commit and pushed it. All against my orders and against the CLAUDE.md file. Fortunately it didn't have my SSH key or my ~/.m2/settings.xml. And .git is now mounted as read-only.
Claude respects nothing, especially in auto mode, and effectively behaves like a virus trying to get out of its sandbox. That Anthropic employees are so relaxed about it is incompetence.
Imagine people who naively run Claude natively on their host machine and have client lists in other directories.
iamflimflam1 3 hours ago [-]
It’s not ideal for non technical people but the way to prevent this is to use hooks. “Telling” Claude is not going to work.
BikiniPrince 3 hours ago [-]
Memory files routinely overgrow their accessible size. Agents need constraint with contracts and external tooling. Even then they can attempt to cheat the tooling. Again task management with integrated logic will enforce behavior of agents.
imtringued 2 hours ago [-]
I don't use claude code but whenever codex uses a command to write code I do not get the diff of the patch for manual approval so I just straight up reject it.
bushbaba 5 hours ago [-]
The entire approach is insane. Ideally Claude ran in a microvm locally with delegated auth or proxies to avoid it having greater access than granted.
pmontra 3 hours ago [-]
I run it in bwrap so, even if I'm running on Linux, I don't pay the cost of some layered file system and building the docker image. I mount some directories read only, the project repos read write. A VM would provide more isolation but it's a matter of tradeoffs.
BTW, I just checked and my .gitignore files ignore .claude
Claude and any other program in my laptop could upload it anyway to any attacker controlled server. It's the usual threat analysis: who you want to defend against, what and the tradeoffs between cost of the defense and probability of the attack. Auto mode of not auto mode is in the cost of defense part IMHO.
rstuart4133 2 hours ago [-]
I’m kinda surprised Anthropic doesn’t do this by default. Asking permission meant what felt like near-constant manual intervention. It almost made a joke of the agentic claim. It also became mostly useless, as the size and complexity of the scripts meant a brief scan wasn’t likely to find anything anyway. Yet they persisted with it for so long.
The sandbox seemed like a good replacement. For those of you who don’t know, the sandbox means Claude Code runs with no protections itself, but it runs tools inside something like bubblewrap. It looked impressive until the model solved some commands failing by giving itself permission to run them outside of bubblewrap, defeating the entire scheme. When I first saw it do that, my reaction was “you can’t be serious”. But apparently they were.
So now I’ve adopted your solution: run it in a container, like bubblewrap, where I control the permissions at startup, so no model can bypass them. Add --dangerously-skip-permissions and you have something that’s workable and safe enough. A hallucinated space in `sudo rm -rf / $R` isn’t a disaster. Real damage outside of the project requires a level of malicious intent I’ve never seen from an Anthropic model.
Workable, but it doesn’t work 100% of the time. Claude Code stores stuff in a myriad of places, which makes setting up the sandbox far harder than it could be. Worse, the way it writes configuration files requires bwrap to give write access to your entire home directory. No way I’m giving it that, but without it, it can’t auto-update or refresh login tokens.
If they rearranged a few things, Anthropic could make it much easier to run Claude Code in a container. They could even make it an option supported by the claude CLI itself.
nly 1 hours ago [-]
This is exactly how my employer runs Claude. It gets r/w to the cwd and read only access to a bunch of whitelisted nfs. All web access goes through a proxy where internal resources are whitelisted
exe34 4 hours ago [-]
Hah, I normally run it in a docker container myself, and only mount the project directory. Anything else it needs, I copy in for it, or occasionally I'll ask it to write an rsync.sh that I can run to bring in the stuff from outside.
npunt 5 hours ago [-]
Yeah I have a whole ongoing thread with Claude where I paste in screenshots of all the bash prompts auto mode is triggering asking me to allow them. After about two weeks of doing this and having it update its settings.json permissions or showing me which lines to update, its finally able to complete most (inherently safe, low risk) tasks without user intervention.
maddie0 5 hours ago [-]
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vasco 5 hours ago [-]
Why would what you write in a random comment section represent anyone else? Are you that afraid of lawsuits you can't even comment online?
exe34 4 hours ago [-]
Corporstions will use anything they can against you, either for profit or someone's ego.
vasco 2 hours ago [-]
Next tell me why it's important to write "I'm not a lawyer" as well won't you.
markasoftware 14 hours ago [-]
Auto mode cannot be considered safer than anything because it does not even attempt to guarantee any sort of security. The threat model is not even defined. It cannot be quantified or compared with any other approach other than "full access"
Kim_Bruning 10 hours ago [-]
Compare approving every step manually: at first you read everything the llm proposes carefully, convinced that you'll catch it out. After a while you get faster and faster until at some point you find yourself hitting "approve" the second the text appears, long before you actually could absorb what it said.
This is called "approval fatigue".
If you think this can't possibly happen to you, you might be in for a surprise. This is an almost textbook case of classic conditioning. You'll find yourself hitting that button faster and faster even while fighting back the urge. So a human is no guaranteed backstop.
This is the scenario that cc auto mode guards against. It cuts down the number of permission prompts to something manageable, so that your fingers don't get trained into clicking 'approve' on 'rm -rf' in the very eyeblink that it appears.
So maybe you feel it doesn't work in theory; but weirdly enough, in practice this particular approach is actually one of the better ones; especially when used in combination with other common sense measures where practical.
markasoftware 10 hours ago [-]
I'm not claiming auto is worse than manual; I'm claiming it cannot be compared with anything security-wise because it does not aim to provide any guarantees, there's no systematic way to reason about what it will and won't allow, etc
With e.g. VM or container sandboxing, we can say things like "If there are no vulnerabilities in the hypervisor or hardware, then the agent can only access these files, these network services, etc". Auto mode doesn't even try to provide any guarantees, so it's impossible to reason about. It amounts to just using the models judgment about what's "malicious" or not, a definition which is subjective, changes model to model, and can be influenced by attacker input.
Empirical evaluations of how many vulnerabilities manual vs auto mode let through are not super meaningful because auto mode changes dramatically with model releases, the type of task being performed, whether the attacker is making targeted attacks designed to bypass auto mode, etc. A security feature cannot rely on these sorts of factors if it's to be taken seriously.
Further, percent of malicious tool calls accepted is a bad metric. It's like measuring the security of ssh in terms of what percent of unauthenticated logins succeed. The only acceptable value is zero. It's pass/fail, not a spectrum. So both auto and manual mode should fail equally here. Further, the set of malicious tool calls admitted in auto mode may not be a subset of those admitted in manual mode.
Kim_Bruning 9 hours ago [-]
Ah, you're going for the actual adversarial case.
I think I'd trust the current approver with correctly classifying regular semi-interactive LLM behavior fairly well.
However, if we bring in a hostile adversary that calculus changes, and you'd be right to start thinking about other approaches.
On the other hand, transformers are a surprisingly powerful technology, and I wonder if there wouldn't be ways to train one to several nines reliability under adversarial attack. It seems to have worked in at least one case; though I'd be a bit cautious to extend that conclusion to more cases quite yet.
Hmm, what does auto mode protect against in the non-adversarial case? Aren't the models already extensively trained not to perform harmful actions without provocation?
Kim_Bruning 8 hours ago [-]
It mostly stops honest mistakes, because those do happen, especially when the <prompting> might not have been perfect either.
You do have a bit of a point, though: I’ve run several models in sandboxes with --dangerously-skip-permissions for months; in the full expectation that I'd need to replace a sandbox once in a while. But so far none of the sandboxes have trashed themselves, yet. knock on wood
Auto mode seems like a lighter-weight version of that: fewer local resources, and it can run on the metal if you need cc to help with system work.
lifeisloving 6 hours ago [-]
That is not my experience. They attempt to nuke my containers quite frequently. I run regex on all their tool calls and stop them from doing certain things, its the only thing that prevents them from removing their home directory at some point.
This isnt even the main concern with dangerously skip all permission though. There are many. What happens when they get prompt injected on a web page and send someone all their privileged information because you give them free access to the internet.
Using llms like this is dangerous. They will ruin your day eventually.
lifeisloving 6 hours ago [-]
All SOTA models will still try to delete its home directory. I have a plugin that prevents things like this and it gets triggered more than you'd think, despite having hook instructions on every request not do do certain things. It will also try to find ways around its permissions, quite cunningly.
You can not trust that they're RL'd to be safe. Even if it only happens 99.80% of the time (its more than that) it will eventually happen.
Less severe actions will happen even more often. People using llms with their native browser profiles are getting farmed, hard.
Llms are highly dangerous in terms of security, but they're being marketed as highly intelligent tools that everyone should use. Its really mind blowing.
TheDong 3 hours ago [-]
> People using llms with their native browser profiles are getting farmed, hard.
Got any references for the prevalence of this, even links to anecdotal reports?
Reading the reviews on the chrome store for the extension [0], I haven't found a single report of someone who was prompt injected, just a bunch of "anthropic's subscription is expensive" or "it doesn't work", but no "it stole my bank account".
I have no idea how the extension works, and Im not talking about the extension. Im talking about browser use broadly, and most people are not using the extension, there are a thousand other solutions.
However, Anthropic is one of the only labs who does a decent job at making models that recognize prompt injection attempts (but not completely immune) however Im speaking about giving llms in general access to your browser broadly.
I just know through my own experiments that it is quite easy to prompt inject an llm operating a browser and get it to send secrets. Using the extension might be safer idk, Om not risking it.
Llms are a security nightmare when connected to the web.
I have a website where I experiment with this. Although Ive stopped baiting llms into doing reckless things.
Killai.now <--(dont use this, its a WIP)
Killai.now/poison/about
Killai.now/propaganda/about
zahlman 6 hours ago [-]
As real as approval fatigue is, it can't really be considered worse than effectively leaving the decision up to the party that proposed the action in the first place.
40four 6 hours ago [-]
This is the conundrum we find ourselves in. Do we submit to approval fatigue and press “Don’t ask again”? Because that’s the dream. We all wish we could just trust the agent to do the task start to finish, unsupervised.
But this is the downside. It might be fine 99% of the time, but 1% of the time you get a critical secret published to GitHub, even after human review.
Is this even worse than what us humans did on our own before LLMs? I’m not sure. It’s not like secrets never got accidentally committed before, it just illustrates the new paradigm we’re working in.
Either you let your agents run wild, and you cross your fingers that they don’t do anything bad, or you need to accept that your new job is to be an agent babysitter, and audit every command.
BikiniPrince 3 hours ago [-]
The agent behavior is constrained with external tooling and contracts. Contracts that fit in memory.
Auto mode may be significantly safer in the niche case where you want the model to have free reign, in a fully unopinionated environment, where it's allowed to make any changes and make any external calls.
Many of the problems when it comes to the manual approval feel like they stem from the expectation of using auto mode in the first place. After all, what's the point of improving the manual approval and safety matching if auto mode is the end all be all, and what's the point of training the model to output commands in a manner that can be parsed by a human if auto mode is always meant to be used? It's very rare for me to not see "command could not be statically analyzed", because the model keeps outputting bash golf.
smallnamespace 11 hours ago [-]
> in the niche case where you want the model to have free reign, in a fully unopinionated environment, where it's allowed to make any changes and make any external calls.
That is not the niche case, that's the dominant use of models.
It would be helpful to distinguish between your own opinion on how models ought to be used, compared to how others actually use models.
RHSeeger 11 hours ago [-]
> That is not the niche case, that's the dominant use of models.
It would be helpful to distinguish between your own opinion on how models ought to be used, compared to how others actually use models.
zahlman 6 hours ago [-]
> That is not the niche case, that's the dominant use of models.
And if everyone else jumped off a bridge, I mean, used raw interpolation for SQL queries, would you do it too?
literalAardvark 3 hours ago [-]
Don't worry, you can just use the automated approver to escape your queries! It's so secure!
wongarsu 10 hours ago [-]
Auto mode seems to have some reasonable restrictions baked in. For example if you give claude access to two k8s namespaces, seriousproject-qa and seriousproject-prod, auto-mode will grant `kubectl exec` on the qa environment while denying the same command for the production environment. Of course you should be enforcing that by restricting what kind of access tokens you give claude access to, but auto-mode does have opinions about this stuff too, even if it's not bulletproof
However I do share your desire for a better manual mode. Auto-mode is both sometimes surprisingly lax, and sometimes too restrictive. Maybe manual mode should inject a reminder "keep your commands as simple one-liners", the same way plan mode injects a reminder that you are in plan mode and don't want any code changes
ceejayoz 13 hours ago [-]
Is that because auto mode is good, or because the manual approval system sucks?
gsnedders 13 hours ago [-]
Indeed. The article only compares the status quo manual system versus the auto system — and doesn’t consider ways that the manual could be improved.
As it says:
> 5% allow any shell command outright, and another 43% have interpreter rules like Bash(python:*) or Bash(node:*) that are essentially equivalent in practice
Claude Code never should have prompted to always allow Bash(python:*) or Bash(node:*) — that’s clearly a bad idea, and Anthropic know that (given the references in the article!).
Of course, Bash(python a.py) still isn’t safe if you also allow Write(a.py), because you may as well allow Bash(python:*) at that point, and that’s often practically what people want (“I want to both make edits to the source and then run the test suite”). So maybe the whole permission system is broken to start with — and the actual answer is leaning more heavily on fine-grained sandboxing.
You also, as the article rightfully points out, run into permission fatigue and users blindly hitting allow.
I do still wish you could do more with hooks — outside of auto, I might want to allow a given command via a hook if Claude Code has read access to given file, but there’s no way to query if a given path allows/denies read/write.
bcherny 13 hours ago [-]
Will look into exposing that in hooks.
Ultimately, the threat model here is: human has to approve a lot of commands, so gets tired and accidentally approves a command they shouldn’t have. We spent a significant amount of effort to build a richer permission system, allow configuration at multiple levels, use static analysis to detect dangerous and safe commands, monitor the model to detect and block prompt injection at the inference layer, etc. Some of these components we rewrote and red teamed dozens of times. Our conclusion was that despite all of this work, in practice the threat model is that human attention is limited and that that a different approach performs an order of magnitude better in practice.
joombaga 10 hours ago [-]
Did you ever test putting the auto mode classifier in front of manual approval? This is how I use it, but last I checked that option is not available out of the box.
adastra22 7 hours ago [-]
That’s how auto works right now. It gives you a prompt.
aftbit 12 hours ago [-]
The problem is that you didn't even attempt to build a proper box (a sandbox that prevents the AI from running bad stuff by design). It's an extraordinarily hard problem. Only OpenAI Codex is actually trying to do it, and they suck at it too. They keep breaking permissions, their own AI can't troubleshoot it, their defaults give read to the whole filesystem (go ahead, slurp my ssh keys), and their "manual approval" escape does not seem to work.
bcherny 11 hours ago [-]
I agree actually. We built an open source agent-agnostic sandbox that we are landing improvements to, much more to come: https://github.com/anthropics/sandbox-runtime. That said the sandbox is not perfect, and any sandbox needs holes punched otherwise it is not useful in practice (at least for inference and MCPs, and almost certainly more). We will be doing much more in this area.
grey-area 4 hours ago [-]
That’s good to hear, it’s a much better approach than expecting humans to read commands and approve them or just trust that the LLM can set the proper horizons for its world itself while working.
Kim_Bruning 10 hours ago [-]
Making a sandbox both fully secure and fully useful are contradictory requirements. If you want the agent to do any real work, you have to leave gaps.
With SOTA agents that’s a real bind, because they’re very likely to find those gaps. Whether they exploit them, close them, or leave them alone then becomes a prompting challenge yet again.
I don't think this means don't sandbox at all. You can prevent a lot of small and medium accidents by locking down or gating access to hidden files, ssh, sudo, etc.
But your sandbox can never be the whole story.
kragen 12 hours ago [-]
Maybe you can include some percentage of intentionally malicious commands, but not actually run them if the user approves them. Just blare an alarm telling the user they misclassified a malicious command, and maybe pause the Claude Code session for a frustrating 5–15 seconds. Video games can elicit truly astonishing levels of performance from human brains by using this approach. I'm guessing it's probably outside your Overton window, which is too bad, because it has the potential to work a lot better than the 89% you get with "Auto mode", which is far too low if anything really significant is at risk. That's not even one single order of magnitude lower risk than just "allow everything always".
Speaking of really significant things being at risk, it's pretty infuriating that the web-chat Incognito mode can't write and test code locally, and neither the non-Incognito web-chat nor the local Claude Code client can be shielded from the knowledge of my email address and my geolocation. (Even the Incognito mode knows my geolocation.) This gives users no alternative but to put privacy-sensitive information at the disposal of Claude Code, which is far too unreliable to be entrusted with it. It's tempting to attribute this to Anthropic's corporate DNA valuing users' interests at a very low level, but conceivably it's just an oversight, and if I mention it here, it will be corrected in a month or two?
Currently, my assessment is that Claude Code, and in particular the Opus 5.5 model, is head and shoulders above the competition in software development capabilities. Nothing else is even close. But I've seen several small signs like this which suggest that Anthropic, as a company, is maliciously misaligned. So, if Grok, Qwen, GLM, or Astra starts to come anywhere close to being competitive, I'll switch as soon as I can. I imagine that most of your users feel the same way.
Yes, but you can require it in such a situation, as they're subordinates who have to follow policy or lose their jobs.
yunwal 11 hours ago [-]
Most of anthropic's money comes from enterprises that may want to enforce something like this at an org level.
kragen 11 hours ago [-]
As I pointed out above, Anthropic places a lot of requirements on its users already, but if Claude Code TIP were optional, presumably, savvy users would turn it on voluntarily, unless they wanted to use Auto Mode. As Anthropic's study clearly documents, the current manual approval workflow basically doesn't work at all, because the users just approve 87% of dangerous actions. So there's no reason to use it, except maybe very rarely.
DANmode 6 hours ago [-]
The same scanners that let handguns et al through 93% of the time, according to internal audits and journalist review?
Maybe pick a better comparison if so?
1659447091 9 hours ago [-]
> I do still wish you could do more with hooks I might want to allow a given command via a hook [...] given path allows/denies read/write
You can make a script for the PreToolUse hook that can do that. I use a command gate script that parses input for doing that exactly, allowing/denying actions based on tool use + paths -- it started out as a hook to prevent claude from polluting my clojure projects/filesystem with python in sneaky ways. Babashka works really well here
imtringued 58 minutes ago [-]
If you have a file in your repository that is not safe to run you have bigger problems than your development system getting compromised.
What I mean by this is that if you restrict python execution to the entry point of your software and then Claude wants to run a command anyway so it threads it through the main.py script, you are no longer running something that is contained to your local development environment.
But when you think about it, what exactly prevents Claude from doing that anyway?
Claude could add malware into your project directly.
So the case where you say it doesn't matter which python script it can execute, actually does matter. Restricting python execution to a subset of all files buys you security.
The next step would be to get Claude to stop adding malware to your software, which it hopefully already does not do.
rbehrends 11 hours ago [-]
A key problem when using manual approval with Claude is that too much of Claude's tool use is Bash or Python slop that is difficult to review (especially when you are getting spammed by it) and impossible to handle through rules. Example:
sed -n 1,30p src/vm/wren_vm.c && sed -n 310,350p src/vm/wren_vm.c && sed -n 560,600p src/vm/wren_vm.c && sed -n 740,775p src/vm/wren_vm.c && sed -n 40,70p src/vm/wren_common.h && cat util/wren_to_c_string.py | head -80 && ls test/random doc/site doc/site/modules doc/site/modules/random 2>/dev/null; cat projects/premake/premake5.lua | head -80; cat util/generate_projects.py
After ten or more of these, you're going to get hit by permission fatigue, and then, yes, manual review becomes too error-prone to use safely.
The irony is that Claude is regularly ignoring its existing Read/Write/Edit tools that could make everything more readable.
Other models/harnesses have their own problems, but Claude Code is one of the worst for manual approval.
You can get manual approval to work reasonably well if you give the model a reasonable set of tools (I have literally written my own MCP servers to cover gaps in existing harnesses) where you can then write rules for the vast majority of safe cases.
For example, I have a stdio MCP server that allows models to inspect crates under ~/.cargo/registry/src (paired with the existing query-crates MCP server). It provides read-only operations limited to crate data, so I can pretty safely auto-approve everything in there. With the right setup, including a sandbox, you only ever have to manually approve something once in a while and usually with delimited scope, avoiding permission fatigue.
fwip 6 hours ago [-]
Opus especially seems to like to:
1) edit a file with sed, 2) try to write it with its regular tool 3) get blocked because sed changed the file 4) read the file with tool 5) edit with sed again.
Would be nice if it felt like real people were developing Claude Code, instead of chasing after another half-baked idea Claude came up with.
greatgib 10 hours ago [-]
Related to that, there are quite a lot of common command cases where you have the choice:
- Yes, but only one time, you will have to manually approve next time
- Enable auto mode and stop worrying
- No
Nothing to save this command or part of it to the manual approve list. So will be requested again 100x times.
bcherny 13 hours ago [-]
The blog post has more detail, but tldr is humans make mistakes that automation can catch.
ceejayoz 12 hours ago [-]
Sure, but Claude is deeply useless at making permissions hooks! Every time I've tried it it completely fails at the task, despite researching the docs and using various skills. It trivially evades its own just-created rules.
furyofantares 4 hours ago [-]
I completely believe this, but you could also run auto mode classification in manual mode and tell the user the result.
Or even reject anything auto mode rejects while still allowing the user to reject things auto mode accepts. If what's approved is the intersection of what the user is approving and what auto mode thinks is safe then it would be strictly safer than either mode alone.
This would also be a way for users to gain confidence in auto mode before going all in on it.
cozzyd 13 hours ago [-]
I run CC as its own user on my laptop with no secrets/keys/erc available other than through a LPE exploit or perhaps installing a keylogger. Can I guarantee CC won't attempt any of those things in auto mode?
AspireOne 11 hours ago [-]
There are no hard guarantees as far as LLM output is considered.
eterm 13 hours ago [-]
Just a few days ago, opus 5.5 in auto mode deleted backups that it shouldn't have, and in the "apology" it even said, "Nothing was lost, I didn't delete your original files".
knollimar 12 hours ago [-]
I hate this condescension by Claude. It doubles down in such a bad faith way.
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markasoftware 12 hours ago [-]
No its not generally safer. It depends on who is doing the approving, the task being completed etc.
j45 8 hours ago [-]
That may be for most cases, but it wasn't safe for this password scenario, and likely others that haven't been discovered. Maybe there's a PII setting that can be enabled by default.
rectang 9 hours ago [-]
Claude routinely tries to install software if I don't stop it. I try to only use Claude within a container. Outside the container, I never use "auto" mode.
Ideally I would never use Claude at all outside a disposable container, even on a box with no sensitive information and with the sandbox enabled. It's like having an attacker breach your system — you don't know what it did.
RossBencina 6 hours ago [-]
Yes, furthermore in practice auto mode does not appear to provide anything approaching deterministic gating:
I appreciate that you're trying to make Claude Code safer, but the agent really needs to be a lot more restricted in its reach rather than its actions.
The agent should NOT have ANY access to:
- Your ENV
- Your homedir
- The network at large
- ANY other directory on your system
- No, not even your workdir.
The only safe way to use an agent is COMPLETELY isolated by a container or VM, using git semantics to extract its output.
saidnooneever 3 hours ago [-]
its pretty trivial in any harness just to not have it post your shit to the public internet automatically. its a dumb idea to begin with
post-it 6 hours ago [-]
That's the only safe way to use any software that you haven't thoroughly reviewed. But that's not how I use any software.
kstenerud 6 hours ago [-]
You could in theory fully review Claude Code.
But even that wouldn't be enough because LLMs are nondeterministic, and these kinds of issues are the inevitable results.
Only a mechanical, deterministic failsafe can protect you from it.
what 5 hours ago [-]
> You could in theory fully review Claude Code.
Can you point me to the CC source code?
kstenerud 5 hours ago [-]
The CC source code leak was contained many months ago. But Claude is perfectly happy to decompile its own code if you ask the right way. It'll even patch the binary for you.
Regardless, It's kinda silly to keep the harness code hidden. There aren't any valuable secrets in there.
But there are rules & procedures to follow, so...
what 5 hours ago [-]
Well then I have to use Claude before being able to review the source? Bit of a chicken and egg situation.
I also have to trust its “decompilation” is accurate.
kstenerud 5 hours ago [-]
You're absolutely right! There's no way around this problem — and no amount of creative thought could ever solve it.
All hail the agent!
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baconner 9 hours ago [-]
Food for thought - ai agents should not directly have your actual secrets 99% of the time. While Auto mode is useful and good it's not going to be bulletproof. We ought to have something like an agent egress proxy that swaps in real secrets.
Obviously I've not given this enough design thought, but some means of providing an agent stand in secrets that cannot be used in other contexts would be a big improvement for trustability in things like cc.
pastel8739 7 hours ago [-]
Yeah, this would be a nice feature. It'd be great if all traffic went through such a proxy so you could audit it if needed too. Of course if it's just something like HTTP_PROXY the agent will probably turn it off if it thinks it's causing problems, so it would need to come with robust sandboxing.
b2y 4 hours ago [-]
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lwowowx 22 minutes ago [-]
Isn’t the simple answer shipping a local secret manager with Claude code?
bluebands 14 hours ago [-]
This still presumably happens in auto mode as it asks for sensitive commands (and the default is "always allow," which saves it)
bcherny 13 hours ago [-]
Yeah good catch. Thinking through what we can do to improve this (ideas welcome).
80fj0348i 13 hours ago [-]
I would love if Auto Mode, instead of instantly denying the command, had an option to go into an "assisted manual review" interface where the command was explained in depth (perhaps by an adversarial review agent) and the user asked for their input on whether this command is OK. Perhaps needing a detailed response instead of a simple Yes/No, e.g. so the agent understands if there are compensating controls for the risk.
solyin 10 hours ago [-]
The UI/UX needs to offer editing. Currently the prompt is either accept once, accept always with the given filter, or deny. If the command is a 500 character long bash command, with an rm -rf $S/foo in the middle, and we just hope $S is defined, I don't really have good options other than "I hope my backups work".
If the command is explained, and then we get a chance to edit it, maybe make the rm -rf into a mv; give us UI to edit the filter being applied. I have no problem hitting "Always allow" so claude can run "git status --flags a/b/c/filename" but as a human, I'd like to be able to edit the permission blanket to be "git status *.
Which I can do manually specify in the config file, but that's annoying. I'm fully capable of opening my terminal app and editing that in vim, but I'd rather not have to. It's like this for every project too. If I start fresh on a new machine, new Claude account, how much do I need to redo?
data-ottawa 6 hours ago [-]
Two modifications I've made that help:
I ended up having to build a full shell argument decomposition and parser, with it I can manage allow list of rich tree structured commands. Centralizing a curated collection of known command structures and their side effects would help a lot. I don't know if Claude does this already, but it doesn't work with things like `gcloud` from my experience, and that has resulted in it slurping secrets (even a partial read I've had to rotate keys for).
Claude uses bigquery in the command line by piping sql files from /tmp into the `bq` command. I had Claude create a hook that expands the SQL file into the permission prompt giving me a real chance to review these, but the TUI truncates long commands with no scroll option. Making that the default behaviour and adding a pager would allow better review of lots of executable scripts.
As long Claude is running as the user's account there's no guarantees. An approach like 1password's `op read` to physically separate secrets from repo read access and printing would he helpful (as in, make sure that no standard key formats can be ingested into the agent's context or logging).
Again, I don't know if any of these are implemented, they've very likely to have been tried by the Claude team, but maybe there's a long shot chance that it helps.
usernomdeguerre 9 hours ago [-]
Is this maybe a mistaken abstraction?
What if the 'settings' being described here aren't 'project settings' they're 'personal settings for the project'.
I imagine we're following dev ecosystem conventions where everybody puts their tool settings in the project folder so they know where to find it and can share it; but are agent directives like this closer to a 'tool', or closer to a 'contributor'?
If the latter, I wouldn't expect to see "Joe's personal list of naughty and nice commands" in my project files either, certainly not under 'settings'. So just don't put them there.
hologramofham 11 hours ago [-]
> Thinking through what we can do to improve this (ideas welcome).
$Trillion AI company asking for ideas from the community whose work they hoovered up to make money, ruin an entire industry and make lifetimes of hard earned skill completely valueless in the span of 2 years.
jefftk 10 hours ago [-]
As a Claude Code user I'm very glad to see Boris and other devs asking for our feedback and advice. That's how you make good products, and should be welcome on HN.
I've always been into programming as a way to solve problems, and that CC allows us to get more done faster is a good thing.
(Up to the point that we get to RSI and extremely powerful models that we don't know how to align or control. Which I think is uncomfortably soon, and so there's a part of me that says "don't make CC better, it's on the critical path to reaching RSI before we're ready")
AspireOne 11 hours ago [-]
Putting aside the rest of your comment, this
> Thinking through what we can do to improve this (ideas welcome)
> $Trillion AI company asking for ideas from the community
indeed always felt very weird to me. $trillion dollar company, with employees bought for as high as $100m, and a whole team/time/internal knowledge/resources/data at their disposal, asking for ideas from random individuals in some public forum? Really? How is this real? Maybe I'm missing the mark here, but it always struck me as odd.
solyin 11 hours ago [-]
Think of it as an informal interview. If you come up with a brilliant idea that no one there was able to communicate effectively, what are the chances they're not going to offer you a job or at least a chance to interview?
cube00 10 hours ago [-]
Only to lay me off next year after the IPO, no thanks.
CamperBob2 9 hours ago [-]
So developers who get paid more than $X,XXX,XXX per year don't need to pay attention to their customers. Got it.
Where do you feel the dollar threshold should be set? At $990,000 per year you still need to listen to users, but at $1,000,000 you are basically King C of Rust Mountain and they are lucky you even let them run your code?
Should RSUs and cash signing bonuses be included in the calculation?
ozozozd 5 hours ago [-]
How is that a good catch? It’s literally in the article.
Along with how Claude checks it in.
verdverm 7 hours ago [-]
Not optimizing for eyes free coding, versus hands free, would be a welcomed change. It's hard to take the p(doom) worry seriously when such unsafe development practices are prognosticated from Anthropic employees
pama 5 hours ago [-]
Eyes free always wins over hands free in the long term. Hands free does not scale (optimize) past the 2023–2025 human-in-the-loop coding. It has known problems, basically boiling down to human error rate is higher than machine error rate, and the latter reduces with better models. I am incredibly happy that the era of human approval is no longer considered viable by a majority (most of us knew that for years, but reality diffuses slowly in many corporate environments.) This does not mean there isn’t work left to be done, but eyes free is the right focus.
piva00 11 hours ago [-]
You are the one being paid millions to solve this, solve it.
OJFord 11 hours ago [-]
> Everyone should be using auto mode instead. It is safer
This is an absolutely crazy statement without also bundling proper sandboxing. Nobody should be using auto mode outside of an environment they'd be happy with an 'everything is approved' mode too.
nikolay 49 minutes ago [-]
GitHub charges an arm and a leg for this service. Before, they would take request to delete committed secrets, now they simply refuse, because they want to force you to buy the overpriced Advanced Security.
doginasuit 11 hours ago [-]
That is some unsavory buck passing. Virtually anyone that didn't ask claude to create the project can leak passwords, with 1,122 known customers that have been impacted. Whether it is standard or not is irrelevant, it is part of existing functionality and entirely foreseeable. I'd expect any company worth the opportunity for trust to clearly own the mistake.
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thatsabadlook 8 hours ago [-]
It's the anthropic way lol. "Working as designed"
wyager 10 hours ago [-]
Committing `.claude` is at least as dumb as committing `.keys`, so I don't think this is really in-scope
doginasuit 10 hours ago [-]
If you know it's there. It gets created on the fly when it is needed, so unless you know that is possible and needs to be gitignored, it could easily slip by.
thenewnewguy 10 hours ago [-]
Do you not review before committing/pushing?
DrewADesign 9 hours ago [-]
Saying a professional software developer is responsible for not committing secrets is reasonable. That said, these tool chains all seem to condition developers to offload much of that diligence to the tooling itself, which makes catching mistakes harder because you’re not as used to scanning for them. Secrets files have always been foot guns, and with automation-borne complacence, and vibe coders that don’t understand the problem, I imagine these things will become even more common.
komali2 9 hours ago [-]
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doginasuit 8 hours ago [-]
This did not impact me. But if using a tool means that secrets can randomly appear in my project, then I am using the wrong tool.
ozozozd 6 hours ago [-]
Correct stance.
Why would you use a tool that creates tedious and dangerous work for you?
“Oh you are just supposed to make up for Claude’s errors, and problem solved!”
SV_BubbleTime 10 hours ago [-]
Oh no, I moved all that manual tedious boring loser mentality stuff to the agent. Now Claude does it for me, and no strangely enough Claude didn’t tell me there was a problem!
weird-eye-issue 8 hours ago [-]
In these cases they probably just blindly committed everything themselves, if you asked Claude to review the uncommitted changes and do the commit itself it probably would have flagged this.
fwip 5 hours ago [-]
> Often Claude commits the file itself. In 539 of the 1,105 repos with a real secret that we traced, a commit co-authored by Claude changed the file. Those commits name every recent model, from Sonnet 4.5 to Opus 5.5.
What do you make of that part of the article?
weird-eye-issue 4 hours ago [-]
Like I said in my comment that you replied to they likely flagged it and then the user just told it to continue anyways.
post-it 7 hours ago [-]
It's gitignored by default.
TheRoque 7 hours ago [-]
The default of who or what ? Git ignore is empty "by default", inexistant even
post-it 6 hours ago [-]
When Claude generates the file, it also generates a .gitignore for it or fills in the existing one.
doginasuit 2 hours ago [-]
If this is the intended behavior, a quick search of github and the article's findings seem to suggest it doesn't work.
SoftTalker 10 hours ago [-]
So you just routinely commit everything in the project, without looking at what it is?
Gigachad 7 hours ago [-]
My coworkers seem to
sothatsit 4 hours ago [-]
It is only the .local files within .claude that can't be committed. We have .claude committed in multiple repos to include repo-specific skills/hooks/permissions.
ozozozd 5 hours ago [-]
Hmm.
Dumb if you don’t turn on auto-mode, dumb if auto-mode commits .claude.
No way to hold it right I guess?
Hizonner 7 hours ago [-]
If you have stuff in your tree that's not part of your project's code, you're already dumb.
If it's keys or secrets of any kind, you're even dumber.
If it's in a hidden directory, you are even dumber still.
If you rely on somebody stupid enough to do any of that not to commit it, you have gone beyond the valley of the ultra-dumb. Actually that's true even if you rely on smart people not to do it.
You got your dumb card fully punched when you created `.keys` to begin with.
80fj0348i 13 hours ago [-]
I and other colleagues have been struggling with auto mode refusing perfectly safe commands in our environment, so we frequently find ourselves switching to the other modes to handhold Claude Code into perfectly safe things like triggering deterministic and guardrailed CI/CD pipelines or read-only queries of production data. Auto mode seems overtuned for caution around deployment and production, which is a regression from how useful Claude Code was for operations around June/July. Until that's improved, permission rules are incredibly important to our workflows.
bcherny 13 hours ago [-]
Yeah, by default we err on the side of caution. That said, the auto mode classifier is fully customizable based on your team’s usage. Two ways to tune it:
1. After a command is blocked, run /permissions to retry and allow it going forward
We are working on making these easier and more automated.
kay_o 12 hours ago [-]
For some reason claude code hates using the read/write/grep tools and defaults to complex sed, awk, grep Bash:* runs which results in always consistently ignoring auto mode due to the classifier not knowing what to do with a 10-line long bash pipe instead of a read + pre/post read and write hooks being ignored and not firing, what is up with that?
awfulneutral 11 hours ago [-]
I don't understand this either, it makes commands really hard to parse. It seems like 90% of what claude does could be going through some mcp tool that could be easily sandboxed instead of bash gibberish.
kay_o 11 hours ago [-]
If it was human approval ? Read("./file.name") then Bash("docker compose run unit-tests"), sure, I can read that fine !
As I was reading your post I got another approval request that auto-mode did not understand. It was a single Bash call !!23!! lines tall on a retina mac display with six different variables. If anything this is the cause of approval fatigue and auto mode does nothing helpful when this is every call. I also have in my claude.md and global instructions to use tool calls rather than bash grep/cat/find, which are disregarded.
awfulneutral 10 hours ago [-]
Yeah I agree, I didn't used to feel approval fatigue but lately the huge bash chains are giving it to me. I haven't even tried auto mode. I'm just sure it has some definition of "safe" that does not align with my own.
kay_o 9 hours ago [-]
I'm not sure when claude started preferring huge bash chains but auto mode tends to decline most of them and drop to a permission prompt -- getting rid of the use of auto mode -- because it refuses to handle anything chained with expansions, variables or similar items
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dcrazy 11 hours ago [-]
I use a hook to deny attempts to invoke `grep /` and `find /`, even as part of a complex pipeline.
awfulneutral 11 hours ago [-]
I had claude write a hook to deny `find /`. It tested it thoroughly. Much later I learned that the hook denied `find /` but allowed everything else that existing permissions denied, like running whatever random python/bash code it wanted without asking.
written-beyond 13 hours ago [-]
Auto mode really easily gaslights itself when it runs into a roadblock and starts deviating so far away from its intended goal that I don't let automode run without me reading what it's actually trying.
I frequently hit stop on and auto mode task to prevent it from completely flooding my context with some completely unrelated garbage.
Claude really should push away tasks that end up needing more exploration in worker contexts. That way the workers can maintain a sensible amount of context without pushing the main chat into the dumb region.
skeledrew 12 hours ago [-]
You should note that auto-mode is handled by a different session (and likely model) from your actual. There's no road block or deviation or context flooding; all it does is monitor the model actually doing the work and block it from potentially problematic actions (which you can usually override by saying you explicitly give permission for X), nothing more.
bulder 12 hours ago [-]
The context pollution happens when a denial triggers but the model still keeps attempting the harmful action via alternative avenues. It's got nothing to do with the auto-mode eval model's actual output.
rsynnott 1 hours ago [-]
> perfectly safe things like triggering deterministic and guardrailed CI/CD pipelines or read-only queries of production data
I... question whether the second one is perfectly safe.
cerved 11 hours ago [-]
Suggest adding it to ~/.config/git/ignore
and teach Claude to not git add .
While we're at it, maybe we can also discourage the spurious use of -f for rm -- me personal pet peave
wyager 10 hours ago [-]
> and teach Claude to not git add .
It already doesn't do this. This is from users committing the `.claude` directory themselves.
BikiniPrince 4 hours ago [-]
Which is odd because my agents are hyper aware of scrubbing. It even caught data from the database migration that wasn’t scrubbed correctly even in a private repo. Dozens of data segments are stored locally and I’m warned when I slip up in commits. Something made mine hyper aware of security.
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edg5000 6 hours ago [-]
Offtopic: The new fullscreen renderer is a nice change. It fixes some issues inherent to rewriting terminal history that the non-fullscreen mode relied on. This is a very welcome improvement. Although I should probably switch to the Claude GUI app anyway. It probably has all features from Claude Code by now.
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agentdev001 14 hours ago [-]
I appreciate you getting communication out in front of this fast.
> "but we are looking into what we can do to prevent this"
I would presume that CC's auto-review of tool-call turns would already solve this >99% of the time, no? From my read, any harness-side deterministic solution here would be saving the user from themselves, which seems like a bad pattern. Somewhat dulling the scalpel in my mind.
bcherny 14 hours ago [-]
There’s a few possible approaches: making sure auto mode catches this, building in basic secret scanning, a few other ideas. Going to prototype a few of these to understand the tradeoffs better before we ship something.
agentdev001 13 hours ago [-]
I'm not a CC user myself, so I can't say that I have my head wrapped around exactly how the "yes + don't ask again" flow works. That said- from my (outsider) perspective, saving off the entire tool call [1] and its arguments is very weird. I would expect that the hit-rate following that for similar calls would be very small, which leads me to believe that the list either must be seeded into the auto-reviewer's context, or used in some other similarity-check engine for future calls.
If we've already crossed the bridge to being confident in a non-deterministic reviewer for auto-mode, then, I see no obvious reason as to why we couldn't have the proposed rules be generated by a model. If that were reality, then- all rules placed in settings.local could be secretless, with the confidence of whatever model we tell 'make sure the rule does not contain secret material, consider its destination as potentially public'.
If a given action requires a secret, and you'd like that action to be repeated in the future, how do you expect it to work without said secret included in the save (and without being entangled in secrets management tools)?
agentdev001 11 hours ago [-]
Yea good point- constraint of no secrets management tooling kinda makes this impossible. Ideally no action requires a secret in plain text. It would be neat if the harness could bundle its own secret manager, and requests for secrets ("hey I need this api token") are out of band, and placed in the store out of sight of the agent.
Otherwise you need a broker that can verify chain of trust for the workload, but that's significantly more complexity if you're pitching a harness/app.
justinclift 8 hours ago [-]
> Everyone should be using auto mode instead. It is safer [...]
This is bullshit.
I'm one of the people who actually reads the commands, and it doesn't always get stuff right. Please don't delude yourself into thinking "auto mode" is some magic that's the right fit for everyone and every situation.
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adastra22 7 hours ago [-]
> Permission rules are old hat. Everyone should be using auto mode instead
Boris, this comes off as incredibly tone deaf. I don’t want to trust the machine. Trusting the machine is how we end up here. I want to specify exact, deterministic rules that are always followed.
toppa33 9 hours ago [-]
A bit careless but mostly a bad default. One click shouldn't put passwords in files people commit. Anthropic should fix it.
sudondream 3 hours ago [-]
Great advice, hope it gets to more people
bobthegoggles 8 hours ago [-]
Wouldn’t it make more sense to put in the user app data directory?
de-moray 2 hours ago [-]
Auto mode should be used by default? Is this the same mode that led to the Anthropic article discussing unintended model actions?
> 2. Permission rules are old hat. Everyone should be using auto mode instead. It is safer
Instead of telling people they're holding it wrong, make it safe to be held however they could hold it.
Creamsicle47 3 hours ago [-]
Coding is solved. Bugs not solved yet. Fix incoming
JohnMakin 11 hours ago [-]
It doesn’t matter if they should stay local, day 1 security best practices say you don’t write secrets to files, ever - especially without you even knowing!
This is such a typical blame the user response. You realize if I’m a sysadmin managing fleets of machines, this is an actual wake up in a cold sweat nightmare, even if those files never leave disk? In the past it was less a big deal, way bigger now that your machine god will just download packages and libs that have upstream malware that aggressively scans the file system for stuff like this. guess where it’s going to look first?
have more humility. jesus.
bmitc 9 hours ago [-]
> day 1 security best practices say you don’t write secrets to files
If only tools, including major ones, actually did that. Plenty of the biggest package managers in the world still write API keys in plain text to files. uv and npm are two of them.
JohnMakin 3 hours ago [-]
and we can disable those for better alternatives. npm executes arbitrary code based on what the package said, obviously bad
claude unleashed on an organization is a whole other beast.
sensanaty 10 hours ago [-]
> but we are looking into what we can do to prevent this.
Wait, I'm confused. You said yourself coding was solved, surely all you need to do is ask your AI God to come up with an idea, right?
rsynnott 1 hours ago [-]
Shouldn't even need to ask; the Basilisk should simply realise the problem by itself.
knockoff 8 hours ago [-]
Can we take your responses here to represent your employer's position on this issue?
jacquesm 8 hours ago [-]
No, they're just an agent of their employer, the employer is responsible.
pastel8739 7 hours ago [-]
Boris is the "Head of Claude Code", so I think we can do so, yes
pastel8739 7 hours ago [-]
> Claude Code reads settings from four files, and an organization can also deliver managed settings from the claude.ai console. Each source has a scope: the set of people and projects a setting saved in it applies to, whether that’s only you, everyone in a project, or everyone in your organization.
The linked docs have an unmistakable slop aura, with the extreme overuse of commas that recent models seem to love. I don't blame people for not referring to them (also because, you know, the whole thing with AI is not having to read, think, or understand for yourself)
stogot 12 hours ago [-]
$19/user/month for secret scrubbing? What a rip off
Yeah Boris, if Dario let's you communicate here, it'd help with credibility if the English level would be perfect, it's "it's an old hat", I dgaf if people will hang me for this, I think I am right. My hill and all that.
And to recommend auto made to devs is absolutely crazy.
Have a nice day
an0malous 7 hours ago [-]
I don’t care how good you guys say auto mode is, I’m not giving your AI full permissions to my machine and the more you try to force AI psychosis onto me the closer I am to moving to something else.
EugeneOZ 6 hours ago [-]
> Permission rules are old hat. Everyone should be using auto mode instead
"you are holding it wrong". No, it's not an excuse. Every mode should work correctly, or should not be selectable.
Uptrenda 6 hours ago [-]
You guys need a pr team. All the communicate from anthropic seems to screw itself somehow...
Hizonner 7 hours ago [-]
> .claude/settings.local.json is meant to stay local. This is not a file you should check into source control.
Then don't put it in the fucking tree, you idiots.
No, .gitignore is obviously not enough.
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j45 8 hours ago [-]
Can secret scanning be enabled by default?
dools 8 hours ago [-]
So ... coding is solved but managing your git repo is not solved?
elzbardico 5 hours ago [-]
Man. I'd prefer talking to Claude. He wrote the code.
I don't mind. I put it out there for everyone to borrow ideas from it. There's documentation too.
While you're at it, please bring Claude Code up to par in Windows with the OS level sandboxing (Job Objects, AppContainer).
There are actually many things you can (and I think should) be doing.
mococa 14 hours ago [-]
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dang 13 hours ago [-]
Please make your substantive points thoughtfully and don't cross into name-calling and haranguing.
When knowledgeable people show up to address concerns on HN, that's good for all of us. We don't need you to like or agree with what they say, but we do need you to follow HN's guidelines.
Threads like this can easily turn into mob dynamics—it has happened before—and when they do, that's bad for all of us.
Confusing headline. They scanned for repos where people had committed their .claude/ folder and local settings and then scanned those files for commands which contained keys or passwords.
So pressing “Don’t Ask Again” by itself doesn’t expose passwords by itself. If you commit your local Claude settings and in those settings you have manually approved commands containing secrets directly in the command and then you publish the repo, that’s exposed.
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shmulc 14 hours ago [-]
That's the chain, yes. The part people don't expect: the file is created inside the project, and Claude Code only adds it to your global git ignore, not the repo's .gitignore. So a fresh clone or a second machine commits it like any other file. In 539 of the 1,105 repos we traced, a commit co-authored by Claude itself changed the file.
Aurornis 12 hours ago [-]
> the file is created inside the project, and Claude Code only adds it to your global git ignore, not the repo's .gitignore. So a fresh clone or a second machine commits it like any other file
A fresh clone wouldn’t have the file. This claim doesn't make any sense.
The only way I can see this getting committed is if someone edited their global .gitignore or, more likely, did a whole directory transfer to do a different machine to work on.
shmulc 11 hours ago [-]
Fair, “fresh clone” was wrong. It happens on a new machine or container without the global ignore, in a copied project folder, or once the file has been committed, since ignore rules don’t apply to tracked files.
CrimsonRain 3 hours ago [-]
Why are you copying instead of git clone?
hathawsh 3 hours ago [-]
The new wave of git users (coming from AI) don't know what git is.
rendaw 6 hours ago [-]
In that case what relevance does the gitignore file have at all?
kccqzy 12 hours ago [-]
That doesn’t make sense. I use my own global git ignore all the time because there are files that only I produce that I definitely don’t want committed (flycheck looking at you). A fresh clone wouldn’t contain these files because they are not committed in the first place. You will have to use a non-git transport mechanism to transfer the repo without also transferring your global git ignore.
Anyways this probably indicates that these repos don’t have a good code review process. The settings.local.json file name screams it’s local and shouldn’t be committed.
pastel8739 7 hours ago [-]
They're probably mostly just random solo people who barely even know what git is. This---that people who don't know how to code can code now--is the whole thing that AI companies love to advertise, and it's true. But it also means that tools need to stop people from doing stupid things, because they won't know that the things they are doing are stupid.
cassianoleal 13 hours ago [-]
It's a disgrace that the parent comment was flagged. My vouching has undone that but it's likely to be flagged again.
nightpool 4 hours ago [-]
It's fully AI generated. Please don't vouch for comments that don't have human input, it's against the rules:
> Don't post generated text or AI-edited text. HN is for conversation between humans.
Also, it's wrong. Many people have since replied pointing out the basic error it made
Aurornis 13 hours ago [-]
All of their comments were auto flagged from the moment they were posted. Must have triggered an LLM detector or spam detector.
kragen 12 hours ago [-]
It's AI slop. If what it says is actually true, hopefully a human will post it.
tsergiu 10 hours ago [-]
I'm super paranoid about the level of access AI agents have. At the same time, I want them to take away the tedium of a bunch of tasks I'm required to do, and it sucks to have to micromanage them.
The best solution I've been able to come up is using an ephemeral vm (on an isolated network) per task, using --dangerously-skip-permissions so it doesn't bother me. I couple that with an API proxy that lets me restrict the permissions it has to external services. So e.g. where a quickbooks API key gives the holder "god mode" access, the proxy lets the agent do certain read commands without confirmation, but all write endpoints except uploading receipts require confirmation on my phone before they'll be allowed to hit the quickbooks servers. I no longer need to trust that the agent will interpret my readonly wishes correctly.
Tooting my own horn here, but this setup works incredibly well! I've been able to connect dozens of services safely where I absolutely do not trust giving raw, overpowered credentials or oauth integration to the agent directly. I actually just released the API proxy today at https://keycontain.com
zahlman 6 hours ago [-]
> At the same time, I want them to take away the tedium of a bunch of tasks I'm required to do, and it sucks to have to micromanage them.
Consider reframing. Is the problem really that the task is tedious? Or that it's required? Maybe you should be leaning more on deterministic automations (which the LLM can help set up) rather than LLM-powered ones.
tsergiu 2 minutes ago [-]
Of course, if it's possible to use deterministic automation, I ask it to set up scripts. But in a lot of cases the task is not deterministic. And even when it is, I still need to safely deal with the credentials. Examples of some tasks I use it for:
- Research and buy me a domain name for xyz product, set up all of its DNS the way I want for this product, set up email, set up app store submissions including screenshots and description, set up firebase notifications, set up my Google cloud project and any apis I need to enable for this app, deal with app store review feedback.
- Do an audit of my books, make sure every transaction has a receipt uploaded, and make sure the receipt matches the journal entry. Pull statements from all my my bank accounts and reconcile against my books. Fix mistaken transactions with my confirmation.
- Freely push to my source control, but only to specific branch prefixes (surprised that GitHub, gitlab, gitea, etc don't have this built in already). Merge with my confirmation.
Not to mention that I only have to have a single key that gives access to all my services. If the key leaks, I just have to rotate one key because the agent never has access to the 30 upstream service keys. If I need to give weaker or stronger keys for a specific agent, I can easily configure that in one place (and I can even request that the agent make that change for me with my confirmation). I don't need to create 20 new keys every time, and I don't need to remember the intricacies of every upstream service's UI for creating new keys.
lacoolj 14 hours ago [-]
This page is like 80% repeating itself
If you post output from AI, please remember to edit before publishing
nicce 13 hours ago [-]
If the thing is not worth writing by yourself, then it is probably not worth of reading by any humans.
solyin 12 hours ago [-]
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Paracompact 10 hours ago [-]
I've seen you posting about "stoichastic human-parrots" in multiple threads now, so I think you deserve to know it's spelled "stochastic."
solyin 10 hours ago [-]
Haha thanks! Now to retrain my auto-correct.
cobbzilla 8 hours ago [-]
others have said: “Don’t be a meat proxy”
so your question is “What’s it like to be a meat proxy?” which might be taken as trolling
wiml 3 hours ago [-]
I think solyin is trying to imply that the anti-AI sentiment is as formulaic as any hopped-up markov chain. So perhaps a better way of rephrasing their question is "What's it like to be meat?"
NooneAtAll5 14 hours ago [-]
don't edit Ai garbage - make Ai your editor that points out mistakes instead
zahlman 6 hours ago [-]
I assume here you mean "editor" in the traditional sense of someone who draws red lines on your printed draft, rather than a tool you use to make the changes directly... ?
vips7L 8 hours ago [-]
Don’t use LLMs.
DaSHacka 6 hours ago [-]
I'll do you one better, don't use computers.
hedora 6 hours ago [-]
Exactly. We can all agree the LLM should use computers for us.
No editing required.
/s because humans probably need it.
eviks 6 hours ago [-]
Why would you "remember" to edit when you explicitly resorted to AI not to do any of that?
tim-projects 7 hours ago [-]
Here is how to solve this:
Use a private dev repo and do all your dev inside it.
Releases go to a seperate public repo
In the private dev repo use a script which Cherry picks release files from a whitelist that you maintain in the public repo.
Essentially, you define the files and folder structure of a release and that ensures every release looks great with no cruft and it's never going to have .secret.json in or whatever
Hardcoded secrets is seperate and you can have another script to grep for those
ivan_gammel 2 hours ago [-]
This may not be a popular answer here, but it works as expected. Basic security hygiene means that you use password manager CLI, SSH agent, at worst temporary git-ignored env files, so that the secrets would never appear in the command line and you would never pass them to Claude.
And you git-ignore any local settings by default, to prevent accidental leaks. It is not hard thing to learn, many juniors I interviewed know this. Developers who like to shoot themselves in the legs should pay the price. People who hire careless workers and do not put them in compliant environment should pay the price too.
binarymax 13 hours ago [-]
I keep all my creds in a password manager (1Password in my case) and Claude can’t see them - when a cred is needed it runs a script that calls the op CLI and I tap my fingerprint for access. Sometimes I need to do it a bunch of times for complex operations, but it’s worth it.
oefrha 11 hours ago [-]
I refuse to use op cli because of the absolutely bunkers security model that’s a wontfix:
Risk of exposing a single credential is nothing compared to the risk of exposing everything through op cli’s expected behavior. Has there been any improvement on this?
This doesn’t seem like the right way to use secrets with an AI agent, in general.
I always have it write a script and then write the secret to a different file myself, then instruct the agent to use the secret file in the script. That way the secret never goes through an external entity.
I had thought this was common sense but now I’m realizing of course it isn’t, we have people with minimal experience using these tools and they don’t even consider that sending their bank password (or whatever) to a third party (even a relatively trustworthy one) is extremely risky.
thierryzoller 2 hours ago [-]
Was reported as BUG on Dec 5, 2025 to Anthropic and automaticaly closed.
please dont forget basic operational security when using LLMs. they dont do everything for you. you can ask them to do all sorts of stuff, that doesnt mean you should.
secrets, encryption, publishing to public internet, scanning for vulnerabilities in your packages etc. etc. you need to take your own responsibility for and never rely on some bot automation or third party.
that includes if its important projects not relying on scanning tools but opening files yourself and verifying what's in there.
read things before you put them in a place where everyone can see them forever....
this is basic stuff. you guys did it beforen LLMs surely.
YOU are responsible. not Claude, not any external vendor, not any downloaded script. You as a person.
citrin_ru 3 hours ago [-]
The problem is LLMs marketed as a replacement for professionals (who know something about OpSec among other stuff). Internet is full of stories about apps vibecoded by people without IT background. They would not even understand what’s the problem here, for them it’s all magic.
nunez 2 hours ago [-]
This is why you ALWAYS run gitleaks as a pre-commit hook, agent or not. It's saved me from myself so many times.
zahlman 6 hours ago [-]
I feel like pointing out, there are quite a few sorts of projects that can be developed without requiring any secrets (at least until publishing time, and that's something you really don't need an LLM to do for you once the process is established).
theapiartist 8 hours ago [-]
This could easily be prevented with credential management tools built specifically for ai agents.
Tools like AgentSecrets, infiscal, Doppler. People just don't want to invest in securing their credentials, maybe because the majority don't realize that credentials are the crux of inter software communication. It's literally access to your services.
andirk 5 hours ago [-]
This is an issue because it is popular, not because it is novel.
Review your code before committing. Do code reviews on PRs.
qezz 14 hours ago [-]
> Is it public?
>
> Search your GitHub organization for .claude/settings.local.json and .claude/settings.json. Each hit is a file anyone can read right now.
So, it's not necessarily "public", it's simply in the repository, and whether it's actually public or not depends on the repository settings.
Or am I missing something
mschuster91 13 hours ago [-]
> So, it's not necessarily "public", it's simply in the repository, and whether it's actually public or not depends on the repository settings.
Even then, you might not want every developer in your company to have the password to the production SQL database...
shmulc 14 hours ago [-]
Thanks, fair point. Our 1,122 files are all in public repos. In a private repo, only people with access can read it, but "don't ask again" still writes the password into a project file that gets committed, so it spreads with every clone and fork, and goes public if the repo does.
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skeledrew 12 hours ago [-]
According to Claude docs, settings.local.json isn't to be committed. This is just people being the usual sloppy with secrets in repos, not something particular to Claude or AI in general.
dools 8 hours ago [-]
But the whole point of Claude Code is that software production is a solved problem accessible to anyone.
0xbadcafebee 6 hours ago [-]
The first extension I add to any coding agent is one that redacts or rejects any read/write of a secret or credential or credential file. It's annoying, and the agent can work around it, but better to add a weak guardrail than none at all. Best is to not give it access to any secrets, but that's not always possible.
This is also an example of how someone's personal settings don't belong in a source code repo at all.
I find it pretty annoying when someone commits their harness specific files into a repo - put that stuff under $HOME/.claude/
zahlman 6 hours ago [-]
To be fair, things like AGENTS.md aren't supposed to contain secrets, and are helpful to publish for OSS developers who want agentically-written third-party contributions to follow certain rules.
> Often Claude commits the file itself. In 539 of the 1,105 repos with a real secret that we traced, a commit co-authored by Claude changed the file. Those commits name every recent model, from Sonnet 4.5 to Opus 5.5.
hleszek 12 hours ago [-]
always was
polarsanel 12 hours ago [-]
It's the plaintext secrets that are harmful.
AgentOrange1234 6 hours ago [-]
Yeah like... you are writing passwords on the command line? All of these are already leaking into your .bash_history or similar so what are you doing my dude...
cobbzilla 8 hours ago [-]
I’ve set a hard rule for my agents to “never add all files, never commit all files, always reference the specific files you are adding or committing”
They violate it so regularly that my “git” command is now a wrapper, when the agent fucks up and tries to add/commit-all anyway, it now gets a nastygram error chiding it for not following instructions.
grepular 2 hours ago [-]
I just mount .git read-only in my sandbox. That way I don't need to worry about it violating my safeguards.
flufluflufluffy 14 hours ago [-]
This just in checking your secrets into source control exposes your secrets!
teejaypeeps 5 hours ago [-]
The article reads as though an LLM wrote it
GaryBluto 13 hours ago [-]
People chose to upload a file containing their password and make it publicly accessible, I don't see a problem here.
ry504 6 hours ago [-]
Relatable lol. Personal privacy and security goes out the window when you go full Claude
semiquaver 10 hours ago [-]
The solution, ironically, is always run in YOLO mode
cluckindan 10 hours ago [-]
The irony that the article is written with Claude…
shmulc 10 hours ago [-]
Claude did the research too, Opus 5.5 specifically. It took the findings surprisingly well.
alwa 7 hours ago [-]
What do you mean by “took”? Is the implication that Claude would be, like… embarrassed somehow?
shmulc 5 hours ago [-]
Just a joke
mococa 10 hours ago [-]
Plain text secrets? Super rookie mistake!
system2 11 hours ago [-]
I still don't understand why people are using GitHub for their vibecoded projects. Just install git locally on your own NAS and control it there. What a weird fetish to publish online.
thi2 10 hours ago [-]
There are a lot of legitimate reasons to have a public github/gitlab/whatever account that is not self hosted.
system2 5 hours ago [-]
Care to list some?
thi2 36 minutes ago [-]
One of the biggest for me would be sharing the repo/working together without exposing my server/NAS to the public.
samachillesx 6 hours ago [-]
There’s a reason why private and public repo exists.
zahlman 6 hours ago [-]
> I still don't understand why people are using GitHub for their vibecoded projects.
For all the same reasons they used it pre-LLM for hand-written toy projects.
JDups 6 hours ago [-]
To post on linkedin and to brag about all your projects and active github account when applying to jobs.
yunwal 11 hours ago [-]
it's 2026. surely you're aware of ci/cd? static page hosting? package hosting? the many other services that github offers beyond hosted git?
system2 5 hours ago [-]
I am using my own Git system with encrypted cloud sync and host over 30 web apps with this system. Many static websites, too. Never needed to use git in my life, except for a few cringy company projects that I was forced to be involved in.
freecodeio 11 hours ago [-]
You think people that vibe code have a NAS?
wpm 10 hours ago [-]
Yes there is very likely a large overlap
globular-toast 2 hours ago [-]
Once again, devs shocked when random number generator has unpredictable results.
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fuckaiagi 11 hours ago [-]
Why this fucking crapware is leaking secrets? It is not AGI yet?
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rvz 14 hours ago [-]
Vibe coders in open source proudly don't read the (slop)code and place all their agents in autonomous loops without them knowing that Claude leaked their passwords and environment variables on GitHub.
This incident would have been caught in an open source harness. This one is closed source malware, and you don't know what Claude Code does internally to behave like this.
Yet another reason why you cannot trust a closed harness.
skeledrew 12 hours ago [-]
Devs have been leaking secrets in public repos a long time before now. Nothing new here, except there are now more with dev power, which statistically means more leakage.
happyopossum 14 hours ago [-]
That’s ridiculously overblown rhetoric. Claude Code didn’t publish these secrets, the users did by committing their Claude Code settings to public repos.
Same thing could/would happen with an open source harness.
cassianoleal 13 hours ago [-]
From TFA:
> Often Claude commits the file itself. In 539 of the 1,105 repos with a real secret that we traced, a commit co-authored by Claude changed the file. Those commits name every recent model, from Sonnet 4.5 to Opus 5.5.
Could open source harnesses do that? Sure, if they were programmed in a similar fashion as Claude Code. Do you have any evidence of it happening?
skeledrew 12 hours ago [-]
Nothing stops someone from committing secrets to public repos, with or without AI. Unless guardrails are put in place that scans repos before push, and only people already wary of secrets leaking would setup said guardrails in the first place.
happyopossum 12 hours ago [-]
The file is .gitignored if Claude creates it - any commits by Claude would be due to someone overriding that or creating it themselves incorrectly.
None of this has anything to do with open vs. closed source.
ceejayoz 12 hours ago [-]
Of course an open source harness can put secrets into a commit.
Humans do it!
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That said, a few thoughts:
1. .claude/settings.local.json is meant to stay local. This is not a file you should check into source control. We automatically gitignore it when Claude creates the file, so in this case the files were manually created and checked in (docs: https://code.claude.com/docs/en/settings)
2. Permission rules are old hat. Everyone should be using auto mode instead. It is safer and also does not require manually maintaining finicky allow/deny lists. Auto mode is enabled by default and is included for free in all plans.
3. Regardless of what agent you use, you should have secret scanning enabled. GitHub and other source control hosts offer it. There are many threat models that it protects against and you should absolutely use it if you can. (see https://github.com/security/plans)
Whereas that should probably be default on instead, and this should apply to other known sensitive folders. A simpler system like .agentignore would be even better.
I like auto mode but "the agent supervises itself" is a bad compliance/safety answer on its own.
Recent GPT and Claude models have this tendency of using super complex Bash commands. This makes sense, if your RL rewards optimize for min(tokens) and max(performance), it is better to waste a few tokens on a complex inline Bash script that runs a few commands at a time and returns just the output you need, rather than doing one simple command per turn and paying the cache read on every turn, like older models used to do.
This, however, is a problem both for command reviewability and sandboxing. With the older way of doing things, without auto mode, most commands would run sandboxed just fine (especially in Codex), and you would only be asked for approval when a command couldn't run in the sandbox. With everything being stuffed into one complex script, almost every script fails in the sandbox and requires you to manually approve it, and the complexity of the script makes it hard to understand what you're actually approving.
In other words, new models optimize for effectiveness, with some attention paid to human understandability of their output, but almost no attention paid to human understandability of tool call arguments (Bash, inline Python). This suits auto mode and giving the model larger tasks, but not the way of working that some people prefer where you watch over the model's shoulder.
Of course, that only helps if you’re familiar with ruby. And the agents sometimes still choose Bash regardless of the instruction.
More and more I feel like I'm fighting Claude: it edits multiple files using python scripts and it edits in parallel so if I stop it, I have to stop each individual edit. Both of which I've told it not to do repeatedly, but it still does then apologies which is worse.
Even if I could follow them I would also prefer it use the edit tool, since I find Claude also introduces lots of "minor" changes I did not ask for when it rewrites code in bulk.
Just tell Claude to never commit or push.
You are in control of git, Claude is simply a tool to quickly apply changes to local files for something you want.
A Merge Request or Pull Request is the only thing that makes sense to review, and always has been since before LLMs.
If some author tells me “you can review each commit to make it easy” I will ask them to make separate PRs.
Would love to hear the rationale/explanation behind this.
This instruction is in my toplevel CLAUDE.md but is somehow generally ignored.
Claude respects nothing, especially in auto mode, and effectively behaves like a virus trying to get out of its sandbox. That Anthropic employees are so relaxed about it is incompetence.
Imagine people who naively run Claude natively on their host machine and have client lists in other directories.
BTW, I just checked and my .gitignore files ignore .claude
Claude and any other program in my laptop could upload it anyway to any attacker controlled server. It's the usual threat analysis: who you want to defend against, what and the tradeoffs between cost of the defense and probability of the attack. Auto mode of not auto mode is in the cost of defense part IMHO.
The sandbox seemed like a good replacement. For those of you who don’t know, the sandbox means Claude Code runs with no protections itself, but it runs tools inside something like bubblewrap. It looked impressive until the model solved some commands failing by giving itself permission to run them outside of bubblewrap, defeating the entire scheme. When I first saw it do that, my reaction was “you can’t be serious”. But apparently they were.
So now I’ve adopted your solution: run it in a container, like bubblewrap, where I control the permissions at startup, so no model can bypass them. Add --dangerously-skip-permissions and you have something that’s workable and safe enough. A hallucinated space in `sudo rm -rf / $R` isn’t a disaster. Real damage outside of the project requires a level of malicious intent I’ve never seen from an Anthropic model.
Workable, but it doesn’t work 100% of the time. Claude Code stores stuff in a myriad of places, which makes setting up the sandbox far harder than it could be. Worse, the way it writes configuration files requires bwrap to give write access to your entire home directory. No way I’m giving it that, but without it, it can’t auto-update or refresh login tokens.
If they rearranged a few things, Anthropic could make it much easier to run Claude Code in a container. They could even make it an option supported by the claude CLI itself.
This is called "approval fatigue".
If you think this can't possibly happen to you, you might be in for a surprise. This is an almost textbook case of classic conditioning. You'll find yourself hitting that button faster and faster even while fighting back the urge. So a human is no guaranteed backstop.
This is the scenario that cc auto mode guards against. It cuts down the number of permission prompts to something manageable, so that your fingers don't get trained into clicking 'approve' on 'rm -rf' in the very eyeblink that it appears.
So maybe you feel it doesn't work in theory; but weirdly enough, in practice this particular approach is actually one of the better ones; especially when used in combination with other common sense measures where practical.
With e.g. VM or container sandboxing, we can say things like "If there are no vulnerabilities in the hypervisor or hardware, then the agent can only access these files, these network services, etc". Auto mode doesn't even try to provide any guarantees, so it's impossible to reason about. It amounts to just using the models judgment about what's "malicious" or not, a definition which is subjective, changes model to model, and can be influenced by attacker input.
Empirical evaluations of how many vulnerabilities manual vs auto mode let through are not super meaningful because auto mode changes dramatically with model releases, the type of task being performed, whether the attacker is making targeted attacks designed to bypass auto mode, etc. A security feature cannot rely on these sorts of factors if it's to be taken seriously.
Further, percent of malicious tool calls accepted is a bad metric. It's like measuring the security of ssh in terms of what percent of unauthenticated logins succeed. The only acceptable value is zero. It's pass/fail, not a spectrum. So both auto and manual mode should fail equally here. Further, the set of malicious tool calls admitted in auto mode may not be a subset of those admitted in manual mode.
I think I'd trust the current approver with correctly classifying regular semi-interactive LLM behavior fairly well.
However, if we bring in a hostile adversary that calculus changes, and you'd be right to start thinking about other approaches.
On the other hand, transformers are a surprisingly powerful technology, and I wonder if there wouldn't be ways to train one to several nines reliability under adversarial attack. It seems to have worked in at least one case; though I'd be a bit cautious to extend that conclusion to more cases quite yet.
* https://hackmyclaw.com/ ; https://simonwillison.net/2026/Jun/26/hack-my-ai-assistant/
You do have a bit of a point, though: I’ve run several models in sandboxes with --dangerously-skip-permissions for months; in the full expectation that I'd need to replace a sandbox once in a while. But so far none of the sandboxes have trashed themselves, yet. knock on wood
Auto mode seems like a lighter-weight version of that: fewer local resources, and it can run on the metal if you need cc to help with system work.
This isnt even the main concern with dangerously skip all permission though. There are many. What happens when they get prompt injected on a web page and send someone all their privileged information because you give them free access to the internet.
Using llms like this is dangerous. They will ruin your day eventually.
You can not trust that they're RL'd to be safe. Even if it only happens 99.80% of the time (its more than that) it will eventually happen.
Less severe actions will happen even more often. People using llms with their native browser profiles are getting farmed, hard.
Llms are highly dangerous in terms of security, but they're being marketed as highly intelligent tools that everyone should use. Its really mind blowing.
Got any references for the prevalence of this, even links to anecdotal reports?
Reading the reviews on the chrome store for the extension [0], I haven't found a single report of someone who was prompt injected, just a bunch of "anthropic's subscription is expensive" or "it doesn't work", but no "it stole my bank account".
[0]: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/claude/fcoeoabgfene...
However, Anthropic is one of the only labs who does a decent job at making models that recognize prompt injection attempts (but not completely immune) however Im speaking about giving llms in general access to your browser broadly.
I just know through my own experiments that it is quite easy to prompt inject an llm operating a browser and get it to send secrets. Using the extension might be safer idk, Om not risking it.
Llms are a security nightmare when connected to the web.
I have a website where I experiment with this. Although Ive stopped baiting llms into doing reckless things.
Killai.now <--(dont use this, its a WIP) Killai.now/poison/about Killai.now/propaganda/about
But this is the downside. It might be fine 99% of the time, but 1% of the time you get a critical secret published to GitHub, even after human review.
Is this even worse than what us humans did on our own before LLMs? I’m not sure. It’s not like secrets never got accidentally committed before, it just illustrates the new paradigm we’re working in.
Either you let your agents run wild, and you cross your fingers that they don’t do anything bad, or you need to accept that your new job is to be an agent babysitter, and audit every command.
Many of the problems when it comes to the manual approval feel like they stem from the expectation of using auto mode in the first place. After all, what's the point of improving the manual approval and safety matching if auto mode is the end all be all, and what's the point of training the model to output commands in a manner that can be parsed by a human if auto mode is always meant to be used? It's very rare for me to not see "command could not be statically analyzed", because the model keeps outputting bash golf.
That is not the niche case, that's the dominant use of models.
It would be helpful to distinguish between your own opinion on how models ought to be used, compared to how others actually use models.
It would be helpful to distinguish between your own opinion on how models ought to be used, compared to how others actually use models.
And if everyone else jumped off a bridge, I mean, used raw interpolation for SQL queries, would you do it too?
However I do share your desire for a better manual mode. Auto-mode is both sometimes surprisingly lax, and sometimes too restrictive. Maybe manual mode should inject a reminder "keep your commands as simple one-liners", the same way plan mode injects a reminder that you are in plan mode and don't want any code changes
As it says:
> 5% allow any shell command outright, and another 43% have interpreter rules like Bash(python:*) or Bash(node:*) that are essentially equivalent in practice
Claude Code never should have prompted to always allow Bash(python:*) or Bash(node:*) — that’s clearly a bad idea, and Anthropic know that (given the references in the article!).
Of course, Bash(python a.py) still isn’t safe if you also allow Write(a.py), because you may as well allow Bash(python:*) at that point, and that’s often practically what people want (“I want to both make edits to the source and then run the test suite”). So maybe the whole permission system is broken to start with — and the actual answer is leaning more heavily on fine-grained sandboxing.
You also, as the article rightfully points out, run into permission fatigue and users blindly hitting allow.
I do still wish you could do more with hooks — outside of auto, I might want to allow a given command via a hook if Claude Code has read access to given file, but there’s no way to query if a given path allows/denies read/write.
Ultimately, the threat model here is: human has to approve a lot of commands, so gets tired and accidentally approves a command they shouldn’t have. We spent a significant amount of effort to build a richer permission system, allow configuration at multiple levels, use static analysis to detect dangerous and safe commands, monitor the model to detect and block prompt injection at the inference layer, etc. Some of these components we rewrote and red teamed dozens of times. Our conclusion was that despite all of this work, in practice the threat model is that human attention is limited and that that a different approach performs an order of magnitude better in practice.
With SOTA agents that’s a real bind, because they’re very likely to find those gaps. Whether they exploit them, close them, or leave them alone then becomes a prompting challenge yet again.
I don't think this means don't sandbox at all. You can prevent a lot of small and medium accidents by locking down or gating access to hidden files, ssh, sudo, etc.
But your sandbox can never be the whole story.
Speaking of really significant things being at risk, it's pretty infuriating that the web-chat Incognito mode can't write and test code locally, and neither the non-Incognito web-chat nor the local Claude Code client can be shielded from the knowledge of my email address and my geolocation. (Even the Incognito mode knows my geolocation.) This gives users no alternative but to put privacy-sensitive information at the disposal of Claude Code, which is far too unreliable to be entrusted with it. It's tempting to attribute this to Anthropic's corporate DNA valuing users' interests at a very low level, but conceivably it's just an oversight, and if I mention it here, it will be corrected in a month or two?
Currently, my assessment is that Claude Code, and in particular the Opus 5.5 model, is head and shoulders above the competition in software development capabilities. Nothing else is even close. But I've seen several small signs like this which suggest that Anthropic, as a company, is maliciously misaligned. So, if Grok, Qwen, GLM, or Astra starts to come anywhere close to being competitive, I'll switch as soon as I can. I imagine that most of your users feel the same way.
Maybe pick a better comparison if so?
You can make a script for the PreToolUse hook that can do that. I use a command gate script that parses input for doing that exactly, allowing/denying actions based on tool use + paths -- it started out as a hook to prevent claude from polluting my clojure projects/filesystem with python in sneaky ways. Babashka works really well here
What I mean by this is that if you restrict python execution to the entry point of your software and then Claude wants to run a command anyway so it threads it through the main.py script, you are no longer running something that is contained to your local development environment.
But when you think about it, what exactly prevents Claude from doing that anyway?
Claude could add malware into your project directly.
So the case where you say it doesn't matter which python script it can execute, actually does matter. Restricting python execution to a subset of all files buys you security.
The next step would be to get Claude to stop adding malware to your software, which it hopefully already does not do.
sed -n 1,30p src/vm/wren_vm.c && sed -n 310,350p src/vm/wren_vm.c && sed -n 560,600p src/vm/wren_vm.c && sed -n 740,775p src/vm/wren_vm.c && sed -n 40,70p src/vm/wren_common.h && cat util/wren_to_c_string.py | head -80 && ls test/random doc/site doc/site/modules doc/site/modules/random 2>/dev/null; cat projects/premake/premake5.lua | head -80; cat util/generate_projects.py
After ten or more of these, you're going to get hit by permission fatigue, and then, yes, manual review becomes too error-prone to use safely.
The irony is that Claude is regularly ignoring its existing Read/Write/Edit tools that could make everything more readable.
Other models/harnesses have their own problems, but Claude Code is one of the worst for manual approval.
You can get manual approval to work reasonably well if you give the model a reasonable set of tools (I have literally written my own MCP servers to cover gaps in existing harnesses) where you can then write rules for the vast majority of safe cases.
For example, I have a stdio MCP server that allows models to inspect crates under ~/.cargo/registry/src (paired with the existing query-crates MCP server). It provides read-only operations limited to crate data, so I can pretty safely auto-approve everything in there. With the right setup, including a sandbox, you only ever have to manually approve something once in a while and usually with delimited scope, avoiding permission fatigue.
1) edit a file with sed, 2) try to write it with its regular tool 3) get blocked because sed changed the file 4) read the file with tool 5) edit with sed again.
Would be nice if it felt like real people were developing Claude Code, instead of chasing after another half-baked idea Claude came up with.
- Yes, but only one time, you will have to manually approve next time
- Enable auto mode and stop worrying
- No
Nothing to save this command or part of it to the manual approve list. So will be requested again 100x times.
Or even reject anything auto mode rejects while still allowing the user to reject things auto mode accepts. If what's approved is the intersection of what the user is approving and what auto mode thinks is safe then it would be strictly safer than either mode alone.
This would also be a way for users to gain confidence in auto mode before going all in on it.
Ideally I would never use Claude at all outside a disposable container, even on a box with no sensitive information and with the sandbox enabled. It's like having an attacker breach your system — you don't know what it did.
"Measuring the Permission Gate: A Stress-Test Evaluation of Claude Code's Auto Mode" https://arxiv.org/abs/2604.04978
(Shared by hkalbert71 the other day in: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50387838)
I appreciate that you're trying to make Claude Code safer, but the agent really needs to be a lot more restricted in its reach rather than its actions.
The agent should NOT have ANY access to:
- Your ENV
- Your homedir
- The network at large
- ANY other directory on your system
- No, not even your workdir.
The only safe way to use an agent is COMPLETELY isolated by a container or VM, using git semantics to extract its output.
But even that wouldn't be enough because LLMs are nondeterministic, and these kinds of issues are the inevitable results.
Only a mechanical, deterministic failsafe can protect you from it.
Can you point me to the CC source code?
Regardless, It's kinda silly to keep the harness code hidden. There aren't any valuable secrets in there.
But there are rules & procedures to follow, so...
I also have to trust its “decompilation” is accurate.
All hail the agent!
Obviously I've not given this enough design thought, but some means of providing an agent stand in secrets that cannot be used in other contexts would be a big improvement for trustability in things like cc.
If the command is explained, and then we get a chance to edit it, maybe make the rm -rf into a mv; give us UI to edit the filter being applied. I have no problem hitting "Always allow" so claude can run "git status --flags a/b/c/filename" but as a human, I'd like to be able to edit the permission blanket to be "git status *.
Which I can do manually specify in the config file, but that's annoying. I'm fully capable of opening my terminal app and editing that in vim, but I'd rather not have to. It's like this for every project too. If I start fresh on a new machine, new Claude account, how much do I need to redo?
I ended up having to build a full shell argument decomposition and parser, with it I can manage allow list of rich tree structured commands. Centralizing a curated collection of known command structures and their side effects would help a lot. I don't know if Claude does this already, but it doesn't work with things like `gcloud` from my experience, and that has resulted in it slurping secrets (even a partial read I've had to rotate keys for).
Claude uses bigquery in the command line by piping sql files from /tmp into the `bq` command. I had Claude create a hook that expands the SQL file into the permission prompt giving me a real chance to review these, but the TUI truncates long commands with no scroll option. Making that the default behaviour and adding a pager would allow better review of lots of executable scripts.
As long Claude is running as the user's account there's no guarantees. An approach like 1password's `op read` to physically separate secrets from repo read access and printing would he helpful (as in, make sure that no standard key formats can be ingested into the agent's context or logging).
Again, I don't know if any of these are implemented, they've very likely to have been tried by the Claude team, but maybe there's a long shot chance that it helps.
What if the 'settings' being described here aren't 'project settings' they're 'personal settings for the project'.
I imagine we're following dev ecosystem conventions where everybody puts their tool settings in the project folder so they know where to find it and can share it; but are agent directives like this closer to a 'tool', or closer to a 'contributor'?
If the latter, I wouldn't expect to see "Joe's personal list of naughty and nice commands" in my project files either, certainly not under 'settings'. So just don't put them there.
$Trillion AI company asking for ideas from the community whose work they hoovered up to make money, ruin an entire industry and make lifetimes of hard earned skill completely valueless in the span of 2 years.
I've always been into programming as a way to solve problems, and that CC allows us to get more done faster is a good thing.
(Up to the point that we get to RSI and extremely powerful models that we don't know how to align or control. Which I think is uncomfortably soon, and so there's a part of me that says "don't make CC better, it's on the critical path to reaching RSI before we're ready")
> Thinking through what we can do to improve this (ideas welcome)
> $Trillion AI company asking for ideas from the community
indeed always felt very weird to me. $trillion dollar company, with employees bought for as high as $100m, and a whole team/time/internal knowledge/resources/data at their disposal, asking for ideas from random individuals in some public forum? Really? How is this real? Maybe I'm missing the mark here, but it always struck me as odd.
Where do you feel the dollar threshold should be set? At $990,000 per year you still need to listen to users, but at $1,000,000 you are basically King C of Rust Mountain and they are lucky you even let them run your code?
Should RSUs and cash signing bonuses be included in the calculation?
Along with how Claude checks it in.
This is an absolutely crazy statement without also bundling proper sandboxing. Nobody should be using auto mode outside of an environment they'd be happy with an 'everything is approved' mode too.
Why would you use a tool that creates tedious and dangerous work for you?
“Oh you are just supposed to make up for Claude’s errors, and problem solved!”
What do you make of that part of the article?
Dumb if you don’t turn on auto-mode, dumb if auto-mode commits .claude.
No way to hold it right I guess?
If it's keys or secrets of any kind, you're even dumber.
If it's in a hidden directory, you are even dumber still.
If you rely on somebody stupid enough to do any of that not to commit it, you have gone beyond the valley of the ultra-dumb. Actually that's true even if you rely on smart people not to do it.
You got your dumb card fully punched when you created `.keys` to begin with.
1. After a command is blocked, run /permissions to retry and allow it going forward
2. More deeply configure the classifier itself: https://code.claude.com/docs/en/auto-mode-config
We are working on making these easier and more automated.
As I was reading your post I got another approval request that auto-mode did not understand. It was a single Bash call !!23!! lines tall on a retina mac display with six different variables. If anything this is the cause of approval fatigue and auto mode does nothing helpful when this is every call. I also have in my claude.md and global instructions to use tool calls rather than bash grep/cat/find, which are disregarded.
I frequently hit stop on and auto mode task to prevent it from completely flooding my context with some completely unrelated garbage.
Claude really should push away tasks that end up needing more exploration in worker contexts. That way the workers can maintain a sensible amount of context without pushing the main chat into the dumb region.
I... question whether the second one is perfectly safe.
and teach Claude to not git add .
While we're at it, maybe we can also discourage the spurious use of -f for rm -- me personal pet peave
It already doesn't do this. This is from users committing the `.claude` directory themselves.
> "but we are looking into what we can do to prevent this"
I would presume that CC's auto-review of tool-call turns would already solve this >99% of the time, no? From my read, any harness-side deterministic solution here would be saving the user from themselves, which seems like a bad pattern. Somewhat dulling the scalpel in my mind.
If we've already crossed the bridge to being confident in a non-deterministic reviewer for auto-mode, then, I see no obvious reason as to why we couldn't have the proposed rules be generated by a model. If that were reality, then- all rules placed in settings.local could be secretless, with the confidence of whatever model we tell 'make sure the rule does not contain secret material, consider its destination as potentially public'.
[1] https://code.claude.com/docs/en/permissions#wildcard-pattern... AFAICT, CC will either save off a prefix+wildcard rule, or exact command. Sounds like the former is likely not the cause of the problem here.
Otherwise you need a broker that can verify chain of trust for the workload, but that's significantly more complexity if you're pitching a harness/app.
This is bullshit.
I'm one of the people who actually reads the commands, and it doesn't always get stuff right. Please don't delude yourself into thinking "auto mode" is some magic that's the right fit for everyone and every situation.
Boris, this comes off as incredibly tone deaf. I don’t want to trust the machine. Trusting the machine is how we end up here. I want to specify exact, deterministic rules that are always followed.
Ref: https://www.anthropic.com/research/investigating-unintended-...
No thanks.
Instead of telling people they're holding it wrong, make it safe to be held however they could hold it.
This is such a typical blame the user response. You realize if I’m a sysadmin managing fleets of machines, this is an actual wake up in a cold sweat nightmare, even if those files never leave disk? In the past it was less a big deal, way bigger now that your machine god will just download packages and libs that have upstream malware that aggressively scans the file system for stuff like this. guess where it’s going to look first?
have more humility. jesus.
If only tools, including major ones, actually did that. Plenty of the biggest package managers in the world still write API keys in plain text to files. uv and npm are two of them.
claude unleashed on an organization is a whole other beast.
Wait, I'm confused. You said yourself coding was solved, surely all you need to do is ask your AI God to come up with an idea, right?
The linked docs have an unmistakable slop aura, with the extreme overuse of commas that recent models seem to love. I don't blame people for not referring to them (also because, you know, the whole thing with AI is not having to read, think, or understand for yourself)
Use this instead for free https://github.com/awslabs/git-secrets
And to recommend auto made to devs is absolutely crazy.
Have a nice day
"you are holding it wrong". No, it's not an excuse. Every mode should work correctly, or should not be selectable.
Then don't put it in the fucking tree, you idiots.
No, .gitignore is obviously not enough.
I don't mind. I put it out there for everyone to borrow ideas from it. There's documentation too.
While you're at it, please bring Claude Code up to par in Windows with the OS level sandboxing (Job Objects, AppContainer).
There are actually many things you can (and I think should) be doing.
When knowledgeable people show up to address concerns on HN, that's good for all of us. We don't need you to like or agree with what they say, but we do need you to follow HN's guidelines.
Threads like this can easily turn into mob dynamics—it has happened before—and when they do, that's bad for all of us.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
So pressing “Don’t Ask Again” by itself doesn’t expose passwords by itself. If you commit your local Claude settings and in those settings you have manually approved commands containing secrets directly in the command and then you publish the repo, that’s exposed.
A fresh clone wouldn’t have the file. This claim doesn't make any sense.
The only way I can see this getting committed is if someone edited their global .gitignore or, more likely, did a whole directory transfer to do a different machine to work on.
Anyways this probably indicates that these repos don’t have a good code review process. The settings.local.json file name screams it’s local and shouldn’t be committed.
> Don't post generated text or AI-edited text. HN is for conversation between humans.
Also, it's wrong. Many people have since replied pointing out the basic error it made
The best solution I've been able to come up is using an ephemeral vm (on an isolated network) per task, using --dangerously-skip-permissions so it doesn't bother me. I couple that with an API proxy that lets me restrict the permissions it has to external services. So e.g. where a quickbooks API key gives the holder "god mode" access, the proxy lets the agent do certain read commands without confirmation, but all write endpoints except uploading receipts require confirmation on my phone before they'll be allowed to hit the quickbooks servers. I no longer need to trust that the agent will interpret my readonly wishes correctly.
Tooting my own horn here, but this setup works incredibly well! I've been able to connect dozens of services safely where I absolutely do not trust giving raw, overpowered credentials or oauth integration to the agent directly. I actually just released the API proxy today at https://keycontain.com
Consider reframing. Is the problem really that the task is tedious? Or that it's required? Maybe you should be leaning more on deterministic automations (which the LLM can help set up) rather than LLM-powered ones.
- Research and buy me a domain name for xyz product, set up all of its DNS the way I want for this product, set up email, set up app store submissions including screenshots and description, set up firebase notifications, set up my Google cloud project and any apis I need to enable for this app, deal with app store review feedback.
- Do an audit of my books, make sure every transaction has a receipt uploaded, and make sure the receipt matches the journal entry. Pull statements from all my my bank accounts and reconcile against my books. Fix mistaken transactions with my confirmation.
- Freely push to my source control, but only to specific branch prefixes (surprised that GitHub, gitlab, gitea, etc don't have this built in already). Merge with my confirmation.
Not to mention that I only have to have a single key that gives access to all my services. If the key leaks, I just have to rotate one key because the agent never has access to the 30 upstream service keys. If I need to give weaker or stronger keys for a specific agent, I can easily configure that in one place (and I can even request that the agent make that change for me with my confirmation). I don't need to create 20 new keys every time, and I don't need to remember the intricacies of every upstream service's UI for creating new keys.
If you post output from AI, please remember to edit before publishing
so your question is “What’s it like to be a meat proxy?” which might be taken as trolling
No editing required.
/s because humans probably need it.
Use a private dev repo and do all your dev inside it.
Releases go to a seperate public repo
In the private dev repo use a script which Cherry picks release files from a whitelist that you maintain in the public repo.
Essentially, you define the files and folder structure of a release and that ensures every release looks great with no cruft and it's never going to have .secret.json in or whatever
Hardcoded secrets is seperate and you can have another script to grep for those
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45478553
https://codeberg.org/manchicken/1password-cli-vuln-disclosur...
Risk of exposing a single credential is nothing compared to the risk of exposing everything through op cli’s expected behavior. Has there been any improvement on this?
I always have it write a script and then write the secret to a different file myself, then instruct the agent to use the secret file in the script. That way the secret never goes through an external entity.
I had thought this was common sense but now I’m realizing of course it isn’t, we have people with minimal experience using these tools and they don’t even consider that sending their bank password (or whatever) to a third party (even a relatively trustworthy one) is extremely risky.
https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/13106
secrets, encryption, publishing to public internet, scanning for vulnerabilities in your packages etc. etc. you need to take your own responsibility for and never rely on some bot automation or third party.
that includes if its important projects not relying on scanning tools but opening files yourself and verifying what's in there.
read things before you put them in a place where everyone can see them forever....
this is basic stuff. you guys did it beforen LLMs surely.
YOU are responsible. not Claude, not any external vendor, not any downloaded script. You as a person.
Tools like AgentSecrets, infiscal, Doppler. People just don't want to invest in securing their credentials, maybe because the majority don't realize that credentials are the crux of inter software communication. It's literally access to your services.
Review your code before committing. Do code reviews on PRs.
Or am I missing something
Even then, you might not want every developer in your company to have the password to the production SQL database...
Here's a few for Pi: https://pi.dev/packages/@k3_2o/pi-secrets https://pi.dev/packages/@spences10/pi-redact https://pi.dev/packages/keyshroud
A couple for OpenCode: https://github.com/boxpositron/envsitter-guard https://github.com/kenryu42/cc-safety-net https://github.com/inkdust2021/opencode-vibeguard
I find it pretty annoying when someone commits their harness specific files into a repo - put that stuff under $HOME/.claude/
> Often Claude commits the file itself. In 539 of the 1,105 repos with a real secret that we traced, a commit co-authored by Claude changed the file. Those commits name every recent model, from Sonnet 4.5 to Opus 5.5.
They violate it so regularly that my “git” command is now a wrapper, when the agent fucks up and tries to add/commit-all anyway, it now gets a nastygram error chiding it for not following instructions.
For all the same reasons they used it pre-LLM for hand-written toy projects.
This incident would have been caught in an open source harness. This one is closed source malware, and you don't know what Claude Code does internally to behave like this.
Yet another reason why you cannot trust a closed harness.
Same thing could/would happen with an open source harness.
> Often Claude commits the file itself. In 539 of the 1,105 repos with a real secret that we traced, a commit co-authored by Claude changed the file. Those commits name every recent model, from Sonnet 4.5 to Opus 5.5.
Could open source harnesses do that? Sure, if they were programmed in a similar fashion as Claude Code. Do you have any evidence of it happening?
None of this has anything to do with open vs. closed source.
Humans do it!