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▲Citroen revives the 2CV for an electric age (bbc.co.uk)
GuB-42 2 minutes ago [-]
Not a big fan of the trend of making all these small electric cars while at the same time dropping the entire A-segment, which, for Citroen, would be the C1.

The problem is that these electric cars have terrible range, because of the small battery, making them almost exclusively city cars. A-segment gas cars are also marketed as city cars, but they can also do long trips just fine. Not the most comfortable, and you are not taking your entire house with you, but you will get there, at highway speeds, just like with any other car. And with good fuel economy too. Perfect for those who want an affordable car, don't drive much, but may take the occasional road trip. By comparison, that 2CV is mostly designed as a second car (in addition to being a fashion statement), when you already have a big car for long trips (or get rental/public transport instead).

And for manufacturers, I think "affordable" is the problem here, A-segment cars are low margin, but not cheaper to design than more upscale models, especially now with all the safety and environmental regulations, so the market is not really worth it.

mrlonglong 1 minutes ago [-]
Lane assist on post 2016 Audi cars. Ugh. I'm the one in control. Not some stupid SBC box.
PorciiVorbesc 2 hours ago [-]
>As they face mounting competition from Chinese manufacturers, Citroen and other European brands are exploiting their heritage as a means of selling modern motors

Heritage and vintage looks of the EU car industry, will only take you so far. Working class people still choose best bang/range for the buck car since their car is a tool, not a fashion statement bag.

Those who treat their car as a fashion accessory are few and the fad of such a retro model wears off quickly when too many people end up with them making them uncool again, like the VW did with the new beetle.

detritus 56 minutes ago [-]
I was thinking about this last night - the European car industry's ripe for disruption by a nimble car company that can make really basic EVs with none of the pointless, excessive cruft that seems endemic in every new car release.

It's only Dacia who seems to understand that there's big market for basic but half-decent cars that don't bill themselves as infotainment fourth spaces, or whatever the hell it is that they're trying to go for [1].

Give me wind up windows, give me an analogue dashboard, give me a basic interface for my phone, etc.

[1] ok, we know what they're going for - the Euros in our wallets... .

pjc50 49 minutes ago [-]
I'm a bit of a stuck record on this, but quite a lot of the tech is either legally mandated or a EURO NCAP requirement. You can try marketing a barebones car which doesn't have a 5 rating on NCAP and see how that goes.

I do think Renault/Dacia have ""got it"" all of a sudden and started actually trying with EVs. Stellantis less so, although Citroen are a Stellantis company. Even Toyota, whose CEO is an overt petrolhead who feels sorry for the loss of engines, are suddenly doing well despite naming their car bz4x in an effort to make it unmemorable.

The war(s) are only going to accelerate this progress.

hn_submit 15 minutes ago [-]
The problem was that European manufacturers sought to market EVs as a "premium product" because they make no noise, accelerate quickly, produce no fumes and the lack of vibrations.

That idea almost sank the entire industry because the Chinese were undercutting them left and right. And unlike the U.S. Europe still hasn't closed off its markets to Chinese EVs.

What people want most of all is a cheap and reliable car.

jubilee33 40 minutes ago [-]
I rented a basic Fiat sedan recently in east Europe with a tiny (6-7cms maybe ?) screen for a backup camera that can barely be seen in daylight and a 1990s era type OS that had maybe three functions and never needed to be used. All the lane warning and wheel shaking nonsense (who the hell thought that shaking the steering wheel at speed is a good idea) are controlled by clear buttons on or around the wheel/dash. The car to be honest was not great, because it was very cheaply put together, but the controls were heaven compared to most of the new offerings. İt can be done.
jbaber 5 minutes ago [-]
This is exactly what Slate Auto[1] say they'll do in the US. Unfortunately for me, their initial models are a truck and an SUV. I'm crossing my fingers they'll succeed, then make an econobox for me.

[1]: https://www.slate.auto/

PorciiVorbesc 50 minutes ago [-]
>the European car industry's ripe for disruption by a nimble car company that can make really basic EVs with none of the pointless, excessive cruft that seems endemic in every new car release

Thats where China comes in. The EU makers enjoyed decades of protections from disruption and laziness and compliance settled in because they didn't want to get disrupted.

rob74 37 minutes ago [-]
Dacia is a brand of Renault, same as Skoda is a brand of the Volkswagen Group - both are attempts of offering more affordable cars built in Eastern Europe (which is especially ironic in the case of VW, which translates to "people's car").

And the only electric Dacia so far is a badge-engineered Chinese-built car: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacia_Spring - but, according to Wikipedia, the second generation will be built in Europe starting in 2027.

hn_submit 18 minutes ago [-]
I'd love an EV with no screen except for the instrument dash and buttons, dials and sliders to operate the A/C and radio.
tpm 20 minutes ago [-]
The BBC article fails to mention that this new 2CV is aiming for the new M1E vehicle category, created especially for small, affordable EVs.

If you want something bigger (than 4200 mm) then the battery will be so expensive anyway that most of the added tech does not change the price considerably. And also forget about the analogue dashboard because we have a billion mandatory digital assistants anyway (I'm not complaining, anything to save lives).

leokennis 34 minutes ago [-]
Meanwhile, at least Dutch roads are full of Renault 5 electrics (https://www.renault.nl/elektrische-autos/r5-e-tech-electric....) and FIAT 500's (https://www.fiat.nl/modellen/fiat-500-hybrid).

I agree that vanity cars that are a shitty car that looks like a classic serve little value. However good cars that "interpolate" and reinterpret classics can be absolutely fine; the originals did become classics for a reason.

jaapz 6 minutes ago [-]
Those cars are also just very practical for a lot of people. It's not a family car, but not everyone needs a family car. Afaik they are so popular because they can be leased relatively cheaply.
rjsw 15 minutes ago [-]
The same CEO was ultimately responsible for both those cars.
spankibalt 45 minutes ago [-]
> Heritage and vintage looks, will only take you so far.

Amen. A, in this case rather ugly, restyling of a wheeled smartphone is not something I have an interest in. That's why you need the people that work on designing and signing-off (on) the thing understand what made the original such an oustanding design in the first place.

YesThatTom2 2 hours ago [-]
Point taken but I’m pretty sure working class people choose based on initial cost, not bang/range for the buck.
bluGill 34 minutes ago [-]
That depends on where you sit in the working class. At the bottom are people who earn almost nothing and price it the only consideration. As you move up though you find people who have some disposable income and start caring about style. At the top end of the working class you find people who can afford a new car (where this is aimed!) and those people tend to care about style.
skywal_l 2 hours ago [-]
There must be the equivalent for "first as a tragedy then as a comedy" saying for commercial product. "first as a tool then as a totem" or something like that.
Hamuko 9 minutes ago [-]
I feel like the Mustang has been able to go pretty far on heritage and vintage looks.
epolanski 1 hours ago [-]
Citroen is already the Stellantis' equivalent of Skoda niche for Volkswagen.
pjc50 1 hours ago [-]
Skoda are doing great with the Elroq at #2, just behind the Model Y: https://cleantechnica.com/2026/10/03/europe-ev-sales-report-...

Stellantis do seem to sandbag their EVs a bit with batteries that don't quiiiite have as much range as competitors. When my Abarth 600E eventually arrives I am going to annoy HN with even more EV-posting.

muvlon 32 minutes ago [-]
Yeah. I drive a modern Stellantis EV and it's quite evident that this is an afterthought retrofitted onto a ICE/hybrid platform. The battery is not that huge, but more importantly all the EV-specific features you'd expect are either missing entirely or really crappy. Charging speed is severely limited, there is no vehicle-to-load, barely anything in terms of charging settings and also no trip planning (I'm told this is available as a paid add-on in some models). By default, the screen behind the steering wheel uses the majority of its space to visualize which energy source is currently in use - maybe nice in a hybrid, but profoundly useless in a pure EV. And of course, there is no frunk. Instead, the space under the hood is occupied by the centralized electric motor as well as the supplementary car parts arranged in a way clearly meant to accommodate a much larger combustion drivetrain, all covered in big plastic panels to conceal the empty space (or maybe the fact that it's an EV at all).

Not to bash it too much, it is an okay car that gets you where you want to go, but it's clearly not them doing their best job at making an EV. I actually like that they have physical, tactile interfaces such as buttons, levers and knobs for all the really important features. I'm not saying they should go the Tesla route and replace all that with a big touchscreen in the center column.

lucfranken 38 minutes ago [-]
The original is great fun to drive in. It also had a really simple rooftop which could be opened in some models. It drove on highways but that was really exciting.

It still has lots of heritage feeling. People even make them electric themselves https://eveurope.eu/en/product/ev-hype-ev-conversion-kit-for...

So it’s not just a car model being electrified.

It’s more about the sentiment than the real usefulness of the design in current times.

Here is another example with more photos:

https://2cev.co.uk/

zh3 28 minutes ago [-]
I liked their old advert about how the 2CV had an automatic sunroof: "You automatically open it when the sun is shining".
hn_submit 1 hours ago [-]
I've always been amazed why the 2CV is seen as a styling icon. It's a bare-bones car from the 1930's which didn't get produced until the late 40's due to the war. By the time production ramped up it was hopelessly outdated.

The only thing positive that can be said about the modern iteration is its $15K price. But for that money you're not getting a real car but a city roundabout with very limited range and speed. The Chinese BYD Seagull is a real car for $10,000 which is quite large to boot.

It's positive that European carmakers are finally catering to the wallets of their customers. No one is clamoring for an electric $50K VW Rabbit (VW Golf).

Lio 37 minutes ago [-]
> I've always been amazed why the 2CV is seen as a styling icon.

It's because the design was simple and cheap but effective. It's a distinctive, original design that was bought by everyone from farmers to the aristocracy.

Take the badge off that BYD and you would struggle to tell it apart from any other soulless boring car. In 5 years time BYD will have changed the design with nothing retained and still nothing distinctive about it.

This new 2CV on the other hand is very distinctive to the point where some will love it and some will hate it.

It's a good cheap, small car that will be easy to drive in cities. It's also "classless" car in the best sense.

Some people will want it regardless of how much money they have. It's the opposite of a "try hard" car. Where as you'd only buy a Seagull because you can't afford something better (from BYD or anyone else).

> No one is clamoring for an electric $50K VW Rabbit (VW Golf).

Actually the electric Golf (Rabbit) already exists, it's called an ID.3. It's about the 5th best selling electric car in Europe so it's, apparently, exactly what a lot of people want.

hn_submit 23 minutes ago [-]
That's because all car manufacturers make good looking cars these days. The few good looking cars that existed before the 1980's were therefore immediately lauded as styling icons.

Even the Chinese designs are acceptable to good, mostly because they hire design expertise from Europe and North America.

robotmay 1 hours ago [-]
I think a lot of the popular classics are often because they were unique, not necessarily beautiful, and often the most popular tend to be some of the most ubiquitous models that were designed for the everyman, e.g. the 2CV, VW Beetle, VW Camper etc. I suspect they become stylish by association with the periods in which they were popular and the people who owned them, rather than because their own styling is great.

I always thought the Citroen vans of the era were very cool, I'd love to see a modern van design based on the H, for example.

RugnirViking 54 minutes ago [-]
this is absolutely it. the only recipe to make a car that becomes iconic is make it different/recognisable then sell a lot of it, for cheap (really cheap. No, cheaper. Cheaper than that) to students/artists. nostalgia will do the rest
bluGill 31 minutes ago [-]
These days cars are more reliable and so students/artists are much more likely to buy a used car.

In the 1970s getting 100,000 miles on a car gave you bragging rights - you would invite your friends to see it turn over, driving away in a cloud of blue smoke (engine oil burns blue), and carefully avoid puddles since they would splash water through the holes in the floor.

These days cars go a lot longer before they fail and so people with limited money buy used cars.

weinzierl 58 minutes ago [-]
"I've always been amazed why the 2CV is seen as a styling icon."

Style icon? Maybe you are thinking of the DS.

The 2CV was commonly considered ugly so much that in Germany it was only known as Ugly Duckling, despite being a popular car there.

mpol 20 minutes ago [-]
The same in Dutch with "Lelijke Eend".

I do assume it is now more of a style icon, where you only drive it on sunny Sundays, or daily if you want to be counter-culture.

spankibalt 40 minutes ago [-]
> Style icon? Maybe you are thinking of the DS.

Yes, style icon. That is a well established matter of record.

> The 2CV was commonly considered ugly so much that in Germany it was only known as Ugly Duckling [...].

Utter rubbish! The Germans, I happen to be one of 'em, call(ed) the 2CV just Ente. That translates to duck.

ekr 1 hours ago [-]
There's no new electric car for less than €17800, in the Netherlands at least. The BYD's start at around €20k. Only the Dacia Spring and the Leapmotor T03 are available under that price point. So if something was to be available for €15k and if it's highway capable, I'm sure it will sell decently well.
hn_submit 42 minutes ago [-]
The BYD Seagull (a.k.a. Dolphin Surf) retails for €10K in Spain. The price difference elsewhere is most likely due to taxes and/or import duties.
pjc50 60 minutes ago [-]
Citroen have always been distinctive "love it or hate it" about their looks, but in this case they've seen what Renault are doing (selling 5's as fast as they can make them) and decided to get in on the action by doing a similar retro reference.

> No one is clamoring for an electric $50K VW Rabbit (VW Golf).

https://cleantechnica.com/2026/10/03/europe-ev-sales-report-...

The ID4 is about Golf-sized, costs about 45kE, and is sitting at #6 on the EV sales chart.

(see also: Renault Twingo, Dacia (Renault Romanian subsidiary) Spring)

close04 45 minutes ago [-]
> The ID4 is about Golf-sized

The ID.3 is almost a perfect match for the Golf in exterior size (within a couple of cm in length). The ID.4 is substantially larger, most obvious being 30cm longer. At least in Europe the ID.4 is considered an SUV.

Mashimo 1 hours ago [-]
> The Chinese BYD Seagull is a real car for $10,000 which is quite large to boot.

I think the Seagull cost ~20 000 to 22 000 EUR in a lot of European countries. Who knows what the Citroen 2CV will cost in china.

fstephany 1 hours ago [-]
The proposed M1E car category in the EU (more or less the european equivalent to the japanese kei cars) might boost this segment of smaller, cheaper cars.
Arodex 57 minutes ago [-]
>I've always been amazed why the 2CV is seen as a styling icon

Round curves and lights looking like eyes, with proportions close to a human face.

The same design cues that made the VW Beetle and the Mazda Miata (1st gen) popular cars.

And "barebones" can be a quality. Citroen did tons of overcomplicated cars too, and for all the love I have towards the DS, the CX, the SM etc., they all suffered and keep suffering of reliability problems that killed them commercially and to keep them running nowadays.

forestingfisher 2 hours ago [-]
I'm really digging Citroen's design recently. Along with Renault and Hyundai, they feel like cars from the future instead of the bloated aggressive and angular design we've come to expect
orliesaurus 13 minutes ago [-]
Missed opportunity to call it Citroën Deux but stylized dEVx - being an EV (read it as the french word `deux` aka 2)
jadar 12 minutes ago [-]
I see no second commandment violations here.
halflife 33 minutes ago [-]
Interestingly, the name 2cv means 2 Cheval Fiscal, or 2 fiscal horses. Which was a tax measurement for cars based on a formula of the shape and performance of the engine.

The car itself had 9 horsepower.

raduz 15 minutes ago [-]
Looks like a similar move to the one Renault took with Renault 5 model. Might not be a bad move, I see a lot of Renault 5 cars on the road.
sdcfgy 2 hours ago [-]
I rather like this. Apart from the interior. Hopefully a production design will have some of the idealisms from the designer removed and replaced with more practical choices. It is however a near ideal cheaper end car for most European countries.
robotmay 1 hours ago [-]
If they actually deliver something for their target price of around £13k then I'd be very impressed - that would truly be embracing the 2CV heritage in making something attainable for the people.

And agreed, I quite like this design. It doesn't feel as bulky as many modern "retro" cars, like the Mini variants.

epolanski 1 hours ago [-]
Point is: those cars differentiate little to nothing among themselves except in design gimmicks.

The latest Grande Panda is an example of that.

sl-1 2 hours ago [-]
I hope they succeed, but probably will fail with too complex design. Original 2cv is wonderfully simple. If they can keep that simplicity, they will win.
jimbobbam 15 minutes ago [-]
Come vw make me an ev bug.
ptidhomme 48 minutes ago [-]
French cars are hopeless (since the 2010s). Stay away from them especially if they're such marketing stunts.
Lio 7 minutes ago [-]
I disagree. I think the current crop from Renault are really good.

The Renault 5, Renault 4 and Renault Megan are class leading and have some style about them.

I just wish they came with better privacy controls but then all the car manufactures are operating a cartel when it comes to surveillance.

speedgoose 38 minutes ago [-]
I would be more precise and say since June 2012, when the last Twingo 1 was produced.
20Mo 38 minutes ago [-]
Mais laisse-les acheter !
arnejenssen 29 minutes ago [-]
No headrests? It looks scary.
thomasfl 2 hours ago [-]
There is nothing wrong with nostalgia. Some property developers makes money from nostalgic architecture. Fashion clothing is often a mix of new and nostalgia.
m000 1 hours ago [-]
The problem in this case (and many others) is that nostalgia is limited to the form, bordering on fetishism, while the utilitarian and economic aspects of the original are brushed aside.

From TFA: "The car had high wheel arches and soft suspension, letting it travel across a ploughed field or rough roads - as legend would have it, without breaking a tray of duck eggs. Its high roof let drivers wear a hat at the wheel. It was easy to drive and simple to repair."

Which of those qualities have been retained in this 2CV revival?

robotmay 1 hours ago [-]
Well the suspension is less of an issue these days due to technical advances. Ground clearance is more of an issue than the suspension travel. This looks more like it's targeted towards city use than the countryside use of the original, especially as it looks to have a notably shorter wheelbase. There's a usecase for small city cars that look cute though.
Mashimo 1 hours ago [-]
Why does it need the same qualities as the old car?

People want cheap and small electric city cars, why not make it in the style of an iconic car? We already have plenty of mid sized cars that look all the same.

m000 40 minutes ago [-]
Small electric city cars are convenience mobility for affluent consumers, not a proper car proposition.

I want a car that I can also comfortably drive to the beach, or to the next town. And also looks good, and comes in colors other than black/white/beige.

codeulike 35 minutes ago [-]
I like the lego wheels
ginko 1 hours ago [-]
I wouldn't want to be hit by those headlights as a pedestrian..
phoghed 56 minutes ago [-]
Which are your favorite to be hit by?
Mashimo 48 minutes ago [-]
Miata!
spankibalt 1 hours ago [-]
Who in the name of the Twelve Hells did they hire to fuck up one of the greatest utilitarian car designs (especially in its Fourgonnette iteration)?
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