I don't think I've ever seen someone do this from both sides of the same abbreviation (eg. Automated ATM Machine) before now, that's quite amusing.
amelius 1 hours ago [-]
No amount of drooling over Apple keyboards will make me forget that Apple's designers didn't add keys for basic functions such as Copy and Paste, Undo and Redo.
leoc 4 minutes ago [-]
I don't see a clear advantage over the the ZXCV shortcut placement which the Macintosh team chose. (The original Finder had no specific Redo shortcut because it was single-undo and ⌘-Z performed both undo and redo.) Even well-placed dedicated keys on a Xerox-style (or later Sun-style) "fun cluster" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBiWtJJN5zk to the left of the alphabetic cluster would have forced the hand to move further away from the home row. Of course ZXCV is much less well-adapted to the left-handed, but that would probably be true of any dedicated keys as well, unless they were mirrored on both sides of the keyboard.
(Yes, they could have just replaced the "regular" function keys with copy/paste keys, but I feel like that would have gone over about as well as the various times they've, uh, tried to replace the function keys)
amelius 1 hours ago [-]
The least they could have done was print "Copy", "Paste", etc. on the keys that we now use for those tasks.
Not sure if this was ever supported system-wide in any way, though.
roldie 44 minutes ago [-]
The lack of delete has always annoyed me (and still does). I hate that I have to press fn backspace, or cursor to the end of the word.
stuart78 38 minutes ago [-]
From a visual perspective I miss some of those more esoteric symbols, but the current Apple (US) keyboard gets it right. Symbols with text labels for modifiers and clear pictographs for the function keys (though the F3/Mission Control icon is a bit unclear until you click i and the behavior of F5/mic seems unhelpful). I just remember a few too many family tech support issues trying to help a struggling relative understand that command and 'open apple' are the same thing.
Sardtok 1 hours ago [-]
Aaaah, he's got carriage return and enter mixed up. The whole reason for the symbol being an arrow returning to the beginning of the line, is because it's the return key. I love the Canadian enter symbol, an arrow pointing into a box.
fasola 53 minutes ago [-]
Enter appropriated the same “arrow returning” symbol long ago, and the key is colloquially known more often as Enter these days.
II2II 41 minutes ago [-]
I'm wondering where those Canadian keyboards are used. I live in Canada, have seen plenty of multilingual keyboards, and have seen those symbols perhaps once. Even so I can't be sure it was on a keyboard. I just recognized one of the symbols.
> You turned it sideways. Using a colon, a dash, and a parenthesis character in series, you could make a sideways smile or frown. It looked like this: [happy-face] or [sad-face]
Did the editor repace :) with [happy-face]?
Cockbrand 1 hours ago [-]
Maybe the author uses a CMS that's supposed to replace tags like [happy-face] with an emoji, but something broke?
fasola 1 hours ago [-]
??? This isn’t on the linked page.
Cockbrand 1 hours ago [-]
The weird Canadian helm icon on the Control key caught my eye in particular.
bawolff 32 minutes ago [-]
I recall seeing that on typewriters when i was a kid (in the 90s). I dont know if i ever saw it on a computer keyboard.
Findecanor 46 minutes ago [-]
The symbols are from a weird ISO/IEC standard (9995-7 ?) that never really caught on except in a few places. I have seen the lock-key symbols more often on lock light panels than on keycaps.
behnamoh 1 hours ago [-]
I wonder why people stopped adding symbols to ASCII. The number row on Macs is just these characters:
~!@#$%^&*()_+
And every programming language uses a subset of these. But why these symbols? Why didn't people add more symbols to the keyboard?
Findecanor 33 minutes ago [-]
Many European layouts do have more symbols outside ASCII. For example German has ° (degree) and ß (ess-tset) and § (paragraph).
German PC keyboards also tend to have µ on the M key, but it is available with the right Alt key.
Macintosh keyboard layouts tend to have many symbols on Option-combinations but they are not always printed.
II2II 49 minutes ago [-]
ASCII is a 7-bit code, so there are only so many symbols one can add. Prior to ASCII, you had codes that used as few as 5 bits. Early C had the option to use digraphs to represent various forms of parenthesis, simply because symbols like {} and [] were not universal.
(Strictly speaking, people did continue adding symbols. We used to talk about code pages: when the MSB was 0, the other 7 bits were ASCII. When the MSB was 1, the other 7 bits were a user selected code pade.)
kevin_thibedeau 54 minutes ago [-]
ASCII is 7-bit and fully filled out. Every other extended character system prior to Unicode was sporadically supported. C has digraphs and trigraphs because even the ASCII punctuation wasn't guaranteed to be available on all keyboards. IBM, notably had an APL typeball for their Selectric derived terminals but that was equivalent to switching character sets and not something that could be considered universal prior to Unicode.
57 minutes ago [-]
Rendered at 16:48:11 GMT+0000 (Coordinated Universal Time) with Vercel.
is a particularly humorous instance of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAS_syndrome
(Yes, they could have just replaced the "regular" function keys with copy/paste keys, but I feel like that would have gone over about as well as the various times they've, uh, tried to replace the function keys)
Not sure if this was ever supported system-wide in any way, though.
Did the editor repace :) with [happy-face]?
Macintosh keyboard layouts tend to have many symbols on Option-combinations but they are not always printed.
(Strictly speaking, people did continue adding symbols. We used to talk about code pages: when the MSB was 0, the other 7 bits were ASCII. When the MSB was 1, the other 7 bits were a user selected code pade.)