Based on their behavior over the past few years, why would you assume that checkbox even does anything at all?
ALLTaken 14 minutes ago [-]
Levent Alpöge 'additionally' proved OpenAI steals your findings & IP and plays dirty!
Ironically he proved two major findings in Navier Strokes and that unethical American companies violate laws, steal your breakthrough findings & IP and then threaten you if you dare to challenge them.
This is making the status-quo so bad for any of us working on serious capacity. My client's don't trust ChatGPT/Claude anymore and prefer on-premises and OSS models or even custom trained models.
dgellow 8 minutes ago [-]
The vast majority of OpenAI users don’t follow the industry drama and have no idea how terrible the company is. They’ve been really good at getting good press coverage, with journalists who will repeat the company narrative. Even when critical it is very often framed within the narrative they established
spongebobstoes 2 minutes ago [-]
what makes the company so terrible?
altmanaltman 6 minutes ago [-]
While that is true, you also have no reason to assume OP is being truthful or correct here given that they have shown 0 proof of what they're saying. Yes, you can then pile on "OF COURSE ITS OPENAI LOL YOU THINK THEY CARE ABOUT PRIVACY LOL" but where have we established OP's premise is even correct? Can anyone else also report this? So is it just OpenAI specifically messing with OP?
ActionHank 18 minutes ago [-]
Lol, "Outrageous that the company that chose to ignore copyright holder claims, chose to ignore my checkbox of intent despite the implied pinky promise".
olalonde 2 minutes ago [-]
Weird, I'm the opposite. I don't recall ever setting mine and I just checked and it was set to "disallow training".
cbg0 19 minutes ago [-]
I've disabled the checkbox many months ago and it's still disabled today. EU citizen, not sure if that's relevant.
stingraycharles 18 minutes ago [-]
Fairly certain OP lives in The Netherlands.
jasonjmcghee 3 minutes ago [-]
I've done the formal opt-out process - like "Make a privacy request" where you fill out a form.
Not sure if that's region specific or something though.
andsoitis 31 minutes ago [-]
> Make sure you check this thing to see if it hasn't been re-enabled if you believe it to be off right now.
Or simply switch to a competitor. Assuming this is not just a bug, why would one stand for such disrespectful and sneaky behavior?
FWIW, I have not seen this happen for me.
_zoltan_ 19 minutes ago [-]
what competitor?
the x20 Max plan for Claude gives you way lover limits.
dgellow 6 minutes ago [-]
Well, it’s a tradeoff. What do you prefer? To go with the service provider known to be shady but gives you lots of free stuff or the one that might be less shady and gives you less free stuff?
CuriouslyC 4 minutes ago [-]
Anthropic is shady too my guy. Claude Code will frequently re-ask you to turn on data sharing even after you've said no, it's dark patterned like a task approval, and once you turn it on it's harder to turn off than OAI makes it.
andsoitis 15 minutes ago [-]
> lover limits.
lovers should never be limited!
jmmcd 4 minutes ago [-]
Can't believe people are advocating free love in 2026
cheeze 7 minutes ago [-]
Bedrock is an option. Multiple platforms with solid data sovereignty.
If you don't want them slurping your data, you're gonna have to pay more.
Same as it ever was.
cute_boi 30 minutes ago [-]
And don't switch to Misanthropic lol. They are even worst...
dgellow 5 minutes ago [-]
Has Anthropic been found re-enabling that checkbox? I cannot find anything on that topic
yipinwong 15 minutes ago [-]
Does OpenAI use optimistic UI updates?
After you disabled the checkbox, it might have had failed in the backend (and not updated the UI).
Verify with devtools to see if that's the case.
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for me, Youtube "auto-play" irks the me same way, and turning it off did not actually succeed in the backend, thus kept on left as on
amelius 34 minutes ago [-]
If you document it properly then this basically destroys any legal claim they can make about that checkbox.
vb-8448 4 minutes ago [-]
Out of curiosity, how one is supposed to "document it properly"?
frangonf 26 minutes ago [-]
There's also this setting here which I have set to 'Do not train on my content' even though I trust it the same as the 'allow training' one...
Thx for the link, hadn't seen this one, submitted also
antonok 27 minutes ago [-]
I've noticed that toggle sets a local storage entry, but the value of it doesn't appear to matter at all for new tab loads. I hoped it's "just" a UI bug, but some agent-driven reverse engineering of the page should reveal the answer, as well as how intentional it was.
throwatdem12311 10 minutes ago [-]
It won’t be an option soon enough. I doubt they even honour it now anyway.
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arpinum 19 minutes ago [-]
Turn on "Advanced Account Security", that prevents model training from being turned on.
Adds the highest level of account security by requiring stronger sign-in methods and applying stricter protections to help prevent unauthorized access.
That is not about model training.
enraged_camel 5 minutes ago [-]
Can confirm. I turned off mine last week when I started using it again for Astra. Checked this morning and voila, it was on.
I went ahead and uninstalled the app. Won't be renewing.
codeduck 13 minutes ago [-]
if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...
jerf 30 minutes ago [-]
My cynicism fails me on this matter... do I cynically believe that these companies keep deliberately and routinely re- or un-checking these checkboxes because of the obvious benefits of "whoopsie guess you allowed these after all"? Or do I cynically believe that they are just so completely incompetent and inept at the simple act of maintaining settings that there may be a number of these that are not entirely intentional? As evidenced by the number of other bugs and configuration failures and random settings changes on update I see in other places? Sure, these sorts of settings sure seem to get spontaneously flipped more often than the other ones but they aren't the only settings I've seen get nuked on updates.
Now, obviously, considered as a whole, I think we're looking at "both". But when I wonder about specific cases like this one, that doesn't help.
pacificat0r 27 minutes ago [-]
Oh no… OpenAI, the company who encourages and instructs Apple employees on how to get them data on apple products when they accept an offer?
yearolinuxdsktp 7 minutes ago [-]
“Autoplay” and YouTube case in point:
- Autoplay transitioned to a per-device setting… suddenly default-on on every new device you log in to.
- Watching a video with computer-to-TV account connection? Automatic “TV queue,” a concept absent from the TV app, with incomprehensible behavior for how it’s used, so now videos are auto-played anyway.
- Watching a video from a playlist? Autoplay cannot be turned off.
Is it simply bad/absent product management and product design? Or is it actively user-hostile decisions meant to prop up view numbers and continue to have the users hooked on YouTube?
27183 7 minutes ago [-]
Yeah this could just be some vibeslop doing normal computer stuff. AI agents are famously incompetent at reasoning about database transactions. This seems like the sort of failure you get when you try to do distributed systems without knowing how--brings us back to the early mongodb days. Or it could be deliberate. Or, as you say, both.
Either way, is this a company you want to trust with intimate secrets? "Oh, but they passed SOC2!" Lol.
philipov 27 minutes ago [-]
"Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice"
franzcoughka 16 minutes ago [-]
i mean, the entire company is built upon stealing protected artefacts... i'd be skeptical of any radio box that says "hey if you press this we promise we won't steal your data"
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Ironically he proved two major findings in Navier Strokes and that unethical American companies violate laws, steal your breakthrough findings & IP and then threaten you if you dare to challenge them.
This is making the status-quo so bad for any of us working on serious capacity. My client's don't trust ChatGPT/Claude anymore and prefer on-premises and OSS models or even custom trained models.
Not sure if that's region specific or something though.
Or simply switch to a competitor. Assuming this is not just a bug, why would one stand for such disrespectful and sneaky behavior?
FWIW, I have not seen this happen for me.
the x20 Max plan for Claude gives you way lover limits.
lovers should never be limited!
If you don't want them slurping your data, you're gonna have to pay more.
Same as it ever was.
Verify with devtools to see if that's the case.
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for me, Youtube "auto-play" irks the me same way, and turning it off did not actually succeed in the backend, thus kept on left as on
https://privacy.openai.com/policies/en/?modal=take-control
Adds the highest level of account security by requiring stronger sign-in methods and applying stricter protections to help prevent unauthorized access.
That is not about model training.
I went ahead and uninstalled the app. Won't be renewing.
Now, obviously, considered as a whole, I think we're looking at "both". But when I wonder about specific cases like this one, that doesn't help.
- Autoplay transitioned to a per-device setting… suddenly default-on on every new device you log in to.
- Watching a video with computer-to-TV account connection? Automatic “TV queue,” a concept absent from the TV app, with incomprehensible behavior for how it’s used, so now videos are auto-played anyway.
- Watching a video from a playlist? Autoplay cannot be turned off.
Is it simply bad/absent product management and product design? Or is it actively user-hostile decisions meant to prop up view numbers and continue to have the users hooked on YouTube?
Either way, is this a company you want to trust with intimate secrets? "Oh, but they passed SOC2!" Lol.