That reminds me the story about closing family wide Google accounts, because of a kid, whose account was managed by Google Family Link, was sending naked selfies to Gemini
Just for reference, stuff like this is exactly why some people oppose the forced Apple/Google requirement in government systems like the new eIDs (eIDAS) in Europe. If you're forced to use Apple/Google for digital identification, playing around with your Google account and get it banned can have disproportional consequences. Suddenly you're locked out of all online government systems.
giancarlostoro 26 minutes ago [-]
At that point, Google and Apple should be legally barred from fully banning you if it impedes you identifying yourself unless your account is hacked.
shevy-java 2 hours ago [-]
It is a very clear act of total betrayal for europan governments to use taxpayers money from Europeans, to invest into US mega-corporations that proxy-enslave Europeans. Lobbyists in Europe are getting rich right now.
lenerdenator 31 minutes ago [-]
Who gets the money shouldn't be your focus, it's that there's even talk of anyone building such a system at all that should be the focus.
Europe has a long history of government abuses of human rights. There's absolutely no guarantee that such a system being designed and implemented by people in Europe as opposed to the US is a safeguard against any sort of human rights issues.
Havoc 2 hours ago [-]
Banning the entire account rather than AI access is wildly user hostile. People have years of emails and calendars on their accounts.
And then you get to fight the support bots and eventually go to the actual unofficial Google support - asking hn whether anyone knows someone with a pulse at Google.
surajrmal 17 minutes ago [-]
This feels like the sort of thing that needs to be legislated. Banning accounts after breaking ToS is a pretty common behavior across many companies. The fact a Google account ends up being used for multiple products makes it more interesting but the overall problem here is not unique to them.
somehnguy 30 minutes ago [-]
I haven't touched Google's AI suite due to this. I need to migrate my email away from Google - the stakes are too high.
Luckily I use a custom domain so accounts won't need to be updated, just emails exported and DNS changed.
wat10000 3 minutes ago [-]
Big companies are all becoming user hostile these days. They act like the customer is an inconvenience rather than a fundamental part of their business. Every interaction exudes this feeling that your primary role is to serve as an unwanted impediment to money flowing out of your bank account and into theirs.
colkassad 30 minutes ago [-]
Good argument for breaking up the company.
danschuller 3 hours ago [-]
Apart from the products not being very competitive this is the main reason I'm reluctant to use any Google models / AI products. The account is way to precious thing to lose based on some AI classifier misfiring and then you know there's good route to get it reenabled.
wlesieutre 2 hours ago [-]
Same. The more of Google's services I touch, the more chance that some errant auto-moderation system will lock me out of Gmail and their support won't do anything about it. Better to not risk it, I don't even log in to YouTube.
deltoidmaximus 1 hours ago [-]
Google made some noise awhile back about banning youtube accounts for using adblockers. I'm not sure if they went through with it but it just isn't worth the risk if you have a more important service the relies on google.
ryandrake 24 minutes ago [-]
Sounds like a good reason to start eliminating your dependence on Gmail. You don't want to tie something as important as your E-mail identity to an account that you might get banned from.
pram 1 hours ago [-]
This is exactly why I haven't used any of Google's AI stuff. Unlike other providers, I'm risking my email and internet service (GFiber!) to some capricious ban-happy whim you probably can't even appeal.
hmokiguess 2 hours ago [-]
The larger issue here is the fact that access to an account can hold you hostage and impact your life in essential services.
We should really find a way to break the tightly coupling to these platforms, including mobile carriers, and not have to live in fear.
Having a real representative of each platform in a government branch under regular hours that citizens can access with their documents so that any issues with it can be dealt is a good first step.
killerstorm 1 hours ago [-]
The government haven't noticed that email became as important as regular mail, unfortunately.
skinfaxi 1 hours ago [-]
The government has a monopoly on regular mail though (at least in the US). Should email be treated as a utility?
Zigurd 4 minutes ago [-]
That would be one way to do it but the problem isn't confined to email. Losing an online identity means losing, in practical terms, access to a wide range of government services and regulatorily required filings.
Total bands are convenient for the big platform providers, but they are big enough to be regulated such that people don't lose access to everything, and that there are timely and responsive ways to challenge their decisions.
If the industry can't do that on its own, it's a job for the regulators.
dig1 2 hours ago [-]
> (from Twitter) ...My Google account too valuable to risk it impacted by Antigravity usage
If your account is that valuable, it's time to consider moving to a self-hosted option. Or at the very least, start by purchasing a domain and linking it to your Google account, while keeping offline backups of all your emails and documents.
The real problem isn't that Google might accidentally ban you; it's that there's no way to get a human in the loop to review the issue. My client is an enterprise GCP user paying a hefty sum every month and getting someone knowledgeable typically means wading through Gemini or talking to (non-technical) support who just read GCP documentation back to you; and it can take months something to get resolved. Now imagine the situation for someone paying nothing or a double-digit for their gmail account or workspace.
I'm aware people will complain that self-hosting is hard, insecure, etc. but it's like a backup: an annoying process you truly appreciate when shit hits the fan.
tedivm 1 hours ago [-]
I don't self host anymore, as it really is a pain, but use Fastmail instead (while my wife uses Protonmail). I would never rely on Google for, well, anything if I can help it.
ryandrake 22 minutes ago [-]
I have been self hosting E-mail for close to 15 years now, and apart from the occasional and very rare delivery problem, it's not really a pain at all. Get a dedicated IP address not on a spam blacklist, don't spam, and it's pretty much set and forget. Well worth it to not have your very identity hanging off an account that you might one day be banned for for reasons you can't figure out.
overgard 2 hours ago [-]
I don't get these model providers forcing people to use their (bad) software. I just downgraded my anthropic account because I can't stand the bugfest that is Claude. I won't even touch google for AI. Doesn't matter if your model is good if I have to use your software.
segfaultex 1 hours ago [-]
With open-weight models getting closer and closer to parity with frontier models for specific tasks (coding,etc) the frontier labs are trying to make moats via their software.
Personally, this is why I foresee Anthropic/OpenAI/Google taking a bath once their creditors come calling. I think the individuals most attached to a specific app are the ones least willing to pay the true cost of inference. (IE: your grandma using chatgpt to ask for recipe recommendations probably isn't going to pay $400/mo).
dylanowen 7 minutes ago [-]
Kind of ironic for these companies to make their moat software while at the same time saying that SaaS and software development in general is obsolete
esseph 2 hours ago [-]
Ad injection or prepping for ad injection.
yellow_lead 2 hours ago [-]
You may also be banned by asking "sensitive" or "inappropriate" questions. So normal usage of Google AI products could also be risky.
I don't care if my Claude or OpenAI account is banned, but risking a Google account is different.
morkalork 1 hours ago [-]
Does that apply to the search AI too?
yellow_lead 1 hours ago [-]
I don't know but I'm basing my assumptions on this article: Teenager’s Gemini mistake locks entire family out of Google accounts [1].
I don't understand why google are being like this. This is an opportunity to extend an olive branch to developers (like openai has) and a great way to get data around how people are actually making this model work for them regarding coding…
cesarb 32 minutes ago [-]
That's the reason I avoided ever logging into YouTube: if for some reason they decided that my real name is not my real name, due to the Google+ integration, I could lose access to more important things like Google Talk.
Nowadays, with a Google account being all but required to use a non-Apple smartphone, it's even worse.
lovelearning 2 hours ago [-]
Good that I saw this.
The VSCode Antigravity extension I was using turns out to be a 3rd-party one. I found out only today that there's an official extension too, which I think wasn't there earlier.
jwr 1 hours ago [-]
If there is any company that can "ban your account" which would result in big problems for you (because, for example, they host your E-mail which means you've just lost access to password recovery for every account you have) with no recourse or due process, you should seriously rethink your approach to your online life.
Host your own E-mail, people, or use reliable E-mail providers that are not huge corpo-behemoths that sell you to advertisers. Those smaller E-mail providers will have actual support that you can contact in case of problems and will not "ban you".
h_mirin 2 hours ago [-]
I can be fairly confident that when Google says they don’t see your data, they don’t.
I am also fairly confident that nobody sees the moderation decisions either.
Aeolun 3 hours ago [-]
Well, I’m glad I’m not using my google account for much any more.
Is OpenAI the only one that allows this? Because Codex without codex is fantastic.
dnautics 28 minutes ago [-]
You can wrap claude code in a harness without -p, it works fine. I think most of the concern was that -p resubmits the entire chat history on each prompt which is really bad for kv caching, and when Anthropic announced that they were ok with 3rd party harnesses that DO use -p I think they had figured out the routing and caching for thinking token hash ids
fractorial 3 hours ago [-]
> Because Codex without codex is fantastic.
Seriously: I roll my own harness over OpenRouter and GPT 5.6, and it is genuinely better than CC+Fable for my maths and programming use cases.
The one thing Fable 5.1 still tops out on is the ability to take a simple "Let's engage in an interactive complexity-removing session" and materialize abstractions and semantics quickly.
throwaway2027 2 hours ago [-]
This is why I'm hesitant to buy Google AI again. I don't want to risk some npm install compromising my Google account which also happens to do AI coding.
dbliss 2 hours ago [-]
I've built a personal meta-harness on top of agy, cc, codex, kiro-cli, ollama that I use to schedule jobs, run oneshot tasks, etc. which provides a general API for my other personal apps that need to do some inference. For example, I built a personal trip app for an upcoming family vacation that uses the inference API to do things like research locations and plan routes, it basically just calls the various cli harness underneath, so it would look like i'm using them directly with their respective model.
I wonder if that would get my google account banned? If so i'm definitely taking agy out of the provider options..
walthamstow 32 minutes ago [-]
Agy has the print option so I don't see how using it is against TOS, but still I'd do that on a burner account.
frankacter 2 hours ago [-]
It's not clear what your full pipe is from your description, but if you're utilizing your Google Pro bundled quota via 3rd party tooling in any way, then you'd be vulnerable to consequences.
notduckrabbit 1 hours ago [-]
I also temporarily had agy as a harness in my orchestrated workflow until I learned about the account bans. IANAL but frontier models examining Google's TOS suggested my use could be in violation. Haven't touched agy for anything since.
polotics 3 hours ago [-]
What is preventing anyone from automating on top of the normal google Antigravity CLI?
It’s detectable and has been known to result in account bans. People have been doing it since the early days of Gemini, when the ToS was still unclear, and some only found out after their accounts were banned. There have been multiple GitHub issues and reports to Google about it. It’s not worth the effort unless you’re willing to risk a secondary Google account.
warpech 2 hours ago [-]
Wouldn’t that violate the quoted ToS? I guess it would.
anon84873628 1 hours ago [-]
"Using the service in connection with products not provided by us." The Agy CLI is provided by them.
kristofferR 40 minutes ago [-]
So? There's still a connection to products not provided by them.
Remember that this is a TOS, so you gotta presume that they will act as malicious as possible within the text.
Majromax 31 minutes ago [-]
That line of reasoning has no end. If you use Antigravity on anything other than a Google Chromebook or Pixel, the hardware is a 'product not provided by them'. Is that a TOS violation?
kristofferR 20 minutes ago [-]
Yes. I'd avoid using services like this.
KeplerBoy 2 hours ago [-]
I think that is what paseo is doing and I don't risk trying it.
warpech 2 hours ago [-]
What is third party? If I self-host OpenClaw, is that third party?
If I write my own harness, is that third party?
Insane policy
Why bother creating a CLI and OAuth interface if your ToS punishes for using it
anon84873628 1 hours ago [-]
It comes down to whether the OAuth token generated by their client is used only in their client.
If you register a new OAuth client and generate access tokens for it to call the API, then you are following the rules.
ThatPlayer 2 hours ago [-]
I've had Codex use antigravity for subagents with 'agy -p'. Is that considered 3rd party usage?
2 hours ago [-]
anon84873628 1 hours ago [-]
No, because you called the service from their client.
2 hours ago [-]
tedivm 2 hours ago [-]
I think an interesting side of this conversation is how the Google employees are jumping in with DARVO attacks, trying to accuse people of spreading misinformation when they're literally quoting the ToS.
This is something I've seen happen a lot with Google- their employees (especially the director+ folks) are absolutely rabid on social media when it comes to defending their products, and they don't let little things like "facts" get in the way.
Google needs to get a better social media policy because they look like clowns when they do this.
sleepytimetea 2 hours ago [-]
Can someone point to a mirror of this X link ? It wants me to install the app to read something that I could/should be able to read using my browser.
esseph 2 hours ago [-]
They've all been taken down or blocked to my knowledge. The Nitter folks got a C&D legal letter. This was a few days ago, maybe a week ago.
self_awareness 2 hours ago [-]
My friend got a ban by using Pi agent with Antigravity.
They un-banned him later, but that was enough to stay away. There are much better services than Antigravity out there.
shevy-java 2 hours ago [-]
Liberate yourself from Google - the de-Google movement is gaining more momentum every day.
1 hours ago [-]
deno 38 minutes ago [-]
Also word of warning: don't buy Google AI subscription before you confirm you have "Antigravity entitlement" whatever that is.
You can have "verified" account (for 18+ and Gmail), bank card added, active AI Pro/Ultra subscription, and still you won't be able to use even the free tier of Antigravity.
Just google things. If you buy a monthly package, you pay next day, let's say on the 15th. Then they again pull the monthly amount on the 6th of next month. They pocket your money and the moment you have any issues, well, go F yourself. Everything is automated. They shove your arse out from any service they deem redundant or useless. They zero your data without recourse.
GOOG is like a soulless, flesh eating antihuman robot, junkie monopoly-behemoth. Terrible UI/UX, very good models, braindead execution. Protected entity, just like NVDA.
Btw Antigravity is the worst of all environments. No money for the braindead. Well, bring your money elsewhere, to small joes instead.
esseph 2 hours ago [-]
> Btw Antigravity is the worst of all environments. No money for the braindead. Well, bring your money elsewhere, to small joes instead.
What kind of "small joes" are training LLMs???
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https://www.pcworld.com/article/3104521/teenagers-gemini-mis...
Europe has a long history of government abuses of human rights. There's absolutely no guarantee that such a system being designed and implemented by people in Europe as opposed to the US is a safeguard against any sort of human rights issues.
And then you get to fight the support bots and eventually go to the actual unofficial Google support - asking hn whether anyone knows someone with a pulse at Google.
Luckily I use a custom domain so accounts won't need to be updated, just emails exported and DNS changed.
We should really find a way to break the tightly coupling to these platforms, including mobile carriers, and not have to live in fear.
Having a real representative of each platform in a government branch under regular hours that citizens can access with their documents so that any issues with it can be dealt is a good first step.
Total bands are convenient for the big platform providers, but they are big enough to be regulated such that people don't lose access to everything, and that there are timely and responsive ways to challenge their decisions.
If the industry can't do that on its own, it's a job for the regulators.
If your account is that valuable, it's time to consider moving to a self-hosted option. Or at the very least, start by purchasing a domain and linking it to your Google account, while keeping offline backups of all your emails and documents.
The real problem isn't that Google might accidentally ban you; it's that there's no way to get a human in the loop to review the issue. My client is an enterprise GCP user paying a hefty sum every month and getting someone knowledgeable typically means wading through Gemini or talking to (non-technical) support who just read GCP documentation back to you; and it can take months something to get resolved. Now imagine the situation for someone paying nothing or a double-digit for their gmail account or workspace.
I'm aware people will complain that self-hosting is hard, insecure, etc. but it's like a backup: an annoying process you truly appreciate when shit hits the fan.
Personally, this is why I foresee Anthropic/OpenAI/Google taking a bath once their creditors come calling. I think the individuals most attached to a specific app are the ones least willing to pay the true cost of inference. (IE: your grandma using chatgpt to ask for recipe recommendations probably isn't going to pay $400/mo).
I don't care if my Claude or OpenAI account is banned, but risking a Google account is different.
1. https://www.pcworld.com/article/3104521/teenagers-gemini-mis...
Nowadays, with a Google account being all but required to use a non-Apple smartphone, it's even worse.
The VSCode Antigravity extension I was using turns out to be a 3rd-party one. I found out only today that there's an official extension too, which I think wasn't there earlier.
Host your own E-mail, people, or use reliable E-mail providers that are not huge corpo-behemoths that sell you to advertisers. Those smaller E-mail providers will have actual support that you can contact in case of problems and will not "ban you".
I am also fairly confident that nobody sees the moderation decisions either.
Is OpenAI the only one that allows this? Because Codex without codex is fantastic.
Seriously: I roll my own harness over OpenRouter and GPT 5.6, and it is genuinely better than CC+Fable for my maths and programming use cases.
The one thing Fable 5.1 still tops out on is the ability to take a simple "Let's engage in an interactive complexity-removing session" and materialize abstractions and semantics quickly.
I wonder if that would get my google account banned? If so i'm definitely taking agy out of the provider options..
Remember that this is a TOS, so you gotta presume that they will act as malicious as possible within the text.
If I write my own harness, is that third party?
Insane policy
Why bother creating a CLI and OAuth interface if your ToS punishes for using it
If you register a new OAuth client and generate access tokens for it to call the API, then you are following the rules.
This is something I've seen happen a lot with Google- their employees (especially the director+ folks) are absolutely rabid on social media when it comes to defending their products, and they don't let little things like "facts" get in the way.
Google needs to get a better social media policy because they look like clowns when they do this.
They un-banned him later, but that was enough to stay away. There are much better services than Antigravity out there.
You can have "verified" account (for 18+ and Gmail), bank card added, active AI Pro/Ultra subscription, and still you won't be able to use even the free tier of Antigravity.
And their verification is some major AI slop that just doesn't work. This is open from June but this was already a bug in Gemini CLI before then: https://github.com/google-antigravity/antigravity-cli/issues...
GOOG is like a soulless, flesh eating antihuman robot, junkie monopoly-behemoth. Terrible UI/UX, very good models, braindead execution. Protected entity, just like NVDA.
Btw Antigravity is the worst of all environments. No money for the braindead. Well, bring your money elsewhere, to small joes instead.
What kind of "small joes" are training LLMs???