I'm very curious about the convergence of the best in class fast OLAP products (StarRocks, ClickHouse) with Trino. It sounds like everybody is going for decoupled compute/storage, using S3 or similar as the storage layer, and thus forgoing colocated joins (ok I know ClickHouse joins suck)...
So what does this mean for ingestion (and indexing)? Iceberg V3? Paimon? Bespoke ingestion through the DB engine to do the indexing?
richard_chase 9 minutes ago [-]
I get a real bad vibe from this dude and my vibes are never wrong.
tomsanbear 2 hours ago [-]
Always enjoyed his lecture series from CMU, hopefully those continue in a sponsored format from Clickhouse.
apavlo 1 hours ago [-]
They will continue. New seminar series starts next month (announcement coming this week).
AbbeFaria 14 minutes ago [-]
I “audited” CMU 15-445 in April 2026, a few months ago. I then applied to Azure Hyperscale DB team, and as my pitch to get hired I cold DM’d the hiring manager whatever I finished in the assignments (BPM, Concurrent B-tree, Transaction support etc).
With that, I was able to get the interview although I ended up failing it. My lack of experience in C++ was probably one of the main reasons. Your course helped me stand my own during the interview and even though I had zero database experience apart from finishing the course, I felt adequately prepared.
Thank you for making the course open source. As a working professional, it was helpful to be able to do the course on my own time. Suffice to say, I am a big fan of your work and thank you for introducing me (and other fellow learners) to the interesting world of Databases!
danlark1 2 hours ago [-]
Congrats, that's incredible news. Watched apavlo@'s lectures while studying in the university and finished my bachelor thesis implementing features and doing research at ClickHouse. Surprised to see these worlds being together now!
gavinray 42 minutes ago [-]
Clickhouse just became the hottest talent-attraction on the market.
Congrats Andy, hope you enjoy the ride =)
2 hours ago [-]
throwaw12 2 hours ago [-]
That's great news for Clickhouse and for Andy I guess, they are both obsessed with databases and are at the cutting edge.
adrianco 2 hours ago [-]
Hi Andy, that’s very cool
news. Will you be at the HPTS workshop in October?
nikhilsimha 1 hours ago [-]
Congrats! Andy is incredible!
sghiassy 2 hours ago [-]
Clickhouse Labs is a research lab for ClickHouse’s engineers and their db product?
Whatever floats your boat. Sounds like you just work as an engineer at a db company
lumost 2 hours ago [-]
Deep tech fields have a more complex relationship with academia than other industries. Engineers often need license to test ideas that may not see adoption for years, or require tens of millions to build-out.
A "research" arm is exactly this license, although it comes at the cost of potentially killing innovation in the rest of the company.
ForHackernews 2 hours ago [-]
C'mon, databases are great but they are not in any way a "deep tech" field. Databases exist today in a zillion production forms as commercial products and free software.
Deep tech includes things like nuclear fusion, solid state batteries, quantum computers. I know everyone wants to feel cool, but just because your new javascript framework will be in beta for the next ten years doesn't make it "deep tech".
jandrewrogers 1 hours ago [-]
The databases we use today in production have severe limitations and are not even close to what is theoretically possible. Many traditional parts of a database (indexing, caching, scheduling, et al) are AI-complete algorithm problems. Entire sub-classes of database (e.g. graph or spatial) famously have persistently poor scalability and performance because of open questions in the foundational computer science.
Just the fact that increasing the generality, scalability, and performance of databases asymptotically converges on designing AGI suggests that it is, in fact, "deep tech". And this property has to mesh with other practical constraints on database behavior. Many problems in databases are hard with little forward progress in decades.
It is true that most database research is not deep tech but there is ample room for it to be if one is sufficiently ambitious.
andriy_koval 22 minutes ago [-]
I personally built quite several specialized hyper-performant DB engines, and studied most popular OSS projects, and believe most DB questions are theoretically answered long ago(decade back). The puzzle is mostly to assemble pieces together to fit specific tradeoff of performance/simplicity/functionality and not overengineer system.
bedman12345 58 minutes ago [-]
Could you explain what practical research there is to be done? The heavy theory I know does not seem to be very useful in practice. Optimal join algorithms, Yannakakis adjacent algorithms, tree decomposition of queries all seem to be worse than well implemented naive algorithms. But maybe the implementations of the new algorithms just are not good? I really don’t know.
lumost 2 hours ago [-]
I'd ascribe "deep tech" to anything that you can reasonably get a PhD in and have it not be unusual. There are dozens of academic conferences on DBs pushing the frontier forward.
fg137 1 hours ago [-]
Don't feed the troll.
The dude doesn't know anything about databases.
ForHackernews 2 hours ago [-]
I'm very excited to keep pushing the frontiers of deep tech art history, just as soon as I complete my $150M Series B raise.
apavlo 2 hours ago [-]
I'm not sure what you think "research lab" means? As I mentioned in the article, we look at IBM Research (Almaden) and Microsoft Research as inspiration.
ForHackernews 2 hours ago [-]
Looking forward to the database analogues of IBM Watson and Tay.ai
I'm partly kidding; there's plenty of space for innovation in databases. You should sponsor https://sled.rs/
tclancy 19 minutes ago [-]
A cobbler should stick to his last.
jandrewrogers 2 hours ago [-]
Many database companies have research labs. It allows you to explore ideas, unorthodox concepts, and parts of the design space that may never be reflected in an actual product. Or to figure out how to solve specific hard problems that you come across with neither a good solution nor proof of impossibility in literature.
This is essential for a company that wants to stay on the frontier of database tech.
bedman12345 1 hours ago [-]
Which database companies have research labs? AFAIK amazon, snowflake, databricks, google and SAP don’t have a research lab dedicated to databases. They have some people that are paid to do research but there does not seem to be an IBM Almaden anywhere in the world.
pphysch 2 hours ago [-]
> The goal of ClickHouse Labs is to establish a best-in-class industry research organization focused on databases. It will not operate as an isolated research organization that throws ideas over the wall to engineering. Instead, we will work closely with ClickHouse engineers, customers, collaborators, and industry partners to develop and disseminate new ideas that keep ClickHouse at the bleeding edge.
This is cool, though bittersweet that the public research infrastructure (universities) is not really configured to support this kind of high-impact research any more.
2 hours ago [-]
astrange 2 hours ago [-]
> ClickHouse had features that at the time were only found in a handful of closed-source, commercial analytical DBMSs. For example, ClickHouse was written in C++ and supported vectorized query execution using SIMD in 2016. Most prominent open-source analytical DBMSs in 2016 were JVM-based and did not support SIMD optimizations until years later.
Performance is a feature. "Written in C++" is a strange idea of a feature.
bijowo1676 60 minutes ago [-]
zero cost abstraction is one of the many features of C++, its just you are not familiar with the language
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So what does this mean for ingestion (and indexing)? Iceberg V3? Paimon? Bespoke ingestion through the DB engine to do the indexing?
With that, I was able to get the interview although I ended up failing it. My lack of experience in C++ was probably one of the main reasons. Your course helped me stand my own during the interview and even though I had zero database experience apart from finishing the course, I felt adequately prepared.
Thank you for making the course open source. As a working professional, it was helpful to be able to do the course on my own time. Suffice to say, I am a big fan of your work and thank you for introducing me (and other fellow learners) to the interesting world of Databases!
Congrats Andy, hope you enjoy the ride =)
Whatever floats your boat. Sounds like you just work as an engineer at a db company
A "research" arm is exactly this license, although it comes at the cost of potentially killing innovation in the rest of the company.
Deep tech includes things like nuclear fusion, solid state batteries, quantum computers. I know everyone wants to feel cool, but just because your new javascript framework will be in beta for the next ten years doesn't make it "deep tech".
Just the fact that increasing the generality, scalability, and performance of databases asymptotically converges on designing AGI suggests that it is, in fact, "deep tech". And this property has to mesh with other practical constraints on database behavior. Many problems in databases are hard with little forward progress in decades.
It is true that most database research is not deep tech but there is ample room for it to be if one is sufficiently ambitious.
The dude doesn't know anything about databases.
I'm partly kidding; there's plenty of space for innovation in databases. You should sponsor https://sled.rs/
This is essential for a company that wants to stay on the frontier of database tech.
This is cool, though bittersweet that the public research infrastructure (universities) is not really configured to support this kind of high-impact research any more.
Performance is a feature. "Written in C++" is a strange idea of a feature.