Gotta say, I've lost all interest in cloud-based AI products. Too many cool features and workflows that I was once excited about that I can't or don't use anymore for a variety of reasons (price hikes, subjectively nerfed, disappeared altogether, replaced,...) for me to even remember. It's tiring.
I've set up a small rig, mostly settled on Qwen3.6 and I'm slowly adding features myself. It probably can't compete with Claude. I don't even know, I've stopped checking. It's providing a ton of value to me as is, and it only keeps getting better. All it takes is to realize that it doesn't actually matter if the grass is (maybe even objectively) greener somewhere else. Feels so good to know that it won't change under my feet. I've got this amazing, highly extensible tool, and it's mine.
hathym 10 minutes ago [-]
Same here, I’ve removed my credit card from Copilot and won’t be renewing
anon373839 22 minutes ago [-]
What features/workflows have you added?
JSR_FDED 30 minutes ago [-]
This sounds very appealing. What size Mac mini would I need for that?
Kon5ole 2 hours ago [-]
I am a huge fan of Copilot CLI. It just feels so logical and low-friction to use compared to Claude Code. Having the ability to juggle various models at will is really nice too. ("Plan this using Opus 4.6, let GPT 5.4 verify the plan and give feedback before implementing with Sonnet 4.6").
Unfortunately the June pricing change for Copilot forced me personally as well as my entire department at work to switch to Claude Code. With copilot we were hitting a few dollars of extra spend over the included credits in April and May, then in June we started chewing through the monthly budget every 2-3 days.
Just a completely insane price hike from the customer's perspective, I don't know what MS were thinking there.
Even if that is the price they need to be sustainable they should have waited until the competition changed their prices first. I wouldn't be surprised if Copilot lost 50% or more of their customer base last month.
Eventually this could be where all the major players set their prices, so the thought occurs to me that nations should run some form of "public access AI", just like they did for TV. Use the free open models and use tax money to finance a few datacenters. Geo-lock the use and set strict throttles to manage load, but let school children and citizens use that AI freely otherwise.
If Copilot's pricing is the level for all AI in a few years, only the unicorn companies can afford to use them, and everybody else has no chance of competing with a company that can use AI.
ffsm8 33 minutes ago [-]
> they should have waited until the competition changed their prices first.
Anthropic just provides a subscription - which Enterprise usually doesn't want you to use because everything you're submitting through that will be trained on / becomes part of their model.
So If you use it without explicit permission from your employer you may be committing a contract violation which can have serious consequences - up to jail time - as they can sue you for that.
pantulis 28 minutes ago [-]
> I am a huge fan of Copilot CLI. It just feels so logical and low-friction to use compared to Claude Code.
Honest question, can you ellaborate? If given the option, I use OpenCode but what do you find in Copilot CLI that makes you prefer it to Claude Code?
nsbk 1 hours ago [-]
The price hike was insane. My $dayjob is moving away from Copilot and into Claude Code subscriptions. In parallel we are testing AWS bedrock and Deepinfra for open weight models in preparation for when CC inevitably stops being such a good deal and aligns with actual token cost. Fun times.
Incipient 1 hours ago [-]
I had to do the same. I expect everything will go token pricing, and at that point a LOT of small/mid businesses will drastically change how they use code.
I've swapped to the 20x Claude plan for a month or two to knock out two ideas I need to get it MVP - expecting Claude to go token priced soon.
nsoonhui 3 hours ago [-]
I used GitHub Copilot for my VS 2026 development and switched between ChatGPT and Claude. That was before I discovered Claude Code and the Codex app. Copilot was OK for my purposes, and the USD 10 per month fee was enough for my usage.
However, last month they introduced a new pricing model ( I know the old pricing was not sustainable), and my USD 10 was exhausted within days. Because of that, I switched to Claude Code and Codex and have never looked back. Yes, tokens on Claude Code and Codex are subsidized heavily, but let's just enjoy when good things last.
I do feel there is a difference between using Claude via Copilot versus using Claude directly in Claude Code. I'm not sure what Microsoft is doing behind the scenes.
taspeotis 2 hours ago [-]
The harness is super important, what tools are available and the system prompts vary from harness to harness.
Anthropic seems to have a modest lead on their harness and models, so it’s a best-of-both-worlds scenario.
> I'm not sure what Microsoft is doing behind the scenes
It’s probably the exact same model, but the tools and the prompts around it are worse, so you get worse results.
kilburn 48 minutes ago [-]
The harness was absolutely not an issue in my case.
The new pricing model where I got banned from using Opus entirely and half a day of work (with weaker models) consumed the 10$ plan was.
I'm now using a Claude Max subscription and I can get close to the daily limits but I'm fairly happy with the overall plan consumption.
Vinnl 2 hours ago [-]
So if you use Claude via Copilot in Zed... You use Zed's harness, I think? What does Copilot do, at that point?
I had a similar experience moving away from Copilot within Zed. Now using the reasonix harness for Deepseek that makes cache hits almost free. And that's with unsubsidized American providers like Digital Ocean or Cloudflare.
toyg 2 hours ago [-]
I tried using Zed but with local models it constantly breaks on tool calls. I wanted to like it but the smell of vibing is just too much.
arcanemachiner 2 hours ago [-]
You using models released this year? I hear this complaint a lot, and it's often due to using an old model which is not as good at tool calling as newer models.
toyg 5 minutes ago [-]
Qwen 3.6 and 3.5...
k__ 3 hours ago [-]
Nice.
I paid $6 yesterday for DeepSeek V4 Flash on OpenRouter. That's like $120 dollar for a month, and it's not even a good model.
bel8 2 hours ago [-]
For DS4 it's much cheaper and reputable to use OpenCode Go $10/mo subscription, or directly with DeepSeek API.
k__ 1 hours ago [-]
Thanks!
I'll try that.
epolanski 2 hours ago [-]
That's quite an achievement, I managed to spend only 2$ on 16 different tasks of v4 pro.
k__ 1 hours ago [-]
Yeah, v4 flash is dirt cheap, but it's running in circles quite often.
Might very well be that a better model is cheaper if it gets things right the first try.
Maybe I should route to a better model when v4flash hasn't solved after a specific number of tokens.
happyweasel 2 hours ago [-]
Same ,I switched to cursor. I told it how to invoke msbuild and it can edit away without needing a native Visual studio plugin.. no problems at all. Target language c++
seanieb 2 hours ago [-]
GitHub Copilot costs have ballooned in recent week, what once took $100 requires $300. I like using Claude with VS Code through Copilot and I feel it’s given me much better code, that I can control the quality. It’s much more transparent than Claude Code. It’s open source but and the IDE interface gives so many more features to have you context and control over whats generated. The increase in cost isn’t purely due to their price increases but also the Opus models agents use more tokens. So I’ve moved to Claude Code and I’m happily still using Opus 4.6. Fable and 4.7 seem to do much larger units of work, go off on tangents and make assumptions that frequently results in slop.
altmanaltman 3 hours ago [-]
My copilot quota finished in maybe 2-3 prompts with claude 4.8 opus. i was expecting it to suck but not this bad. it was good while it lasted though
andhuman 5 hours ago [-]
Finally an alternative to the big dogs that a company can use. People have been asking for a way to run the Chinese models from a trusted provider. Here GitHub delivered!
The performance, if we trust the benchmarks, put it at Sonnet 4.6.
Let’s see if it’s worth it with GitHubs pricing.
MangoCoffee 4 hours ago [-]
Microsoft needs to offer cheaper option since they change to token based billing. GPT-5.4 used to be x1 for yearly subscriber but now it cost 6x. i run out the premium request for just couple prompts. Github copilot for $10 used to be the best value since you get all the US AI labs model for cheap.
sneezychl 3 hours ago [-]
CoPilot was an insanely good value while it lasted. Only moneysoft could subsidize a service that much.
w4yai 2 hours ago [-]
> People have been asking for a way to run the Chinese models from a trusted provider
I'm going to be called a chiller again, but at this point I don't care as it is relevant. Synthetic runs their own models for a reasonable price, GLM5.2 & Kimi K2.7-Code included.
Being on Copilot means your employer lets you use it at work. It's essentially Copilot's primary value add in the new billing model.
kingstnap 3 hours ago [-]
Input: $0.95
Cache hit (most important): $0.19
Output: $4.00
This is the same as how much Moonshot charges for it, and it puts it at roughly the price of GPT 5.4 mini, not a bad option.
For some context here is a stupid prompt that wastes tokens: "Play a game of tic tac toe against yourself on a 5x5 board, you need 5 in a row to win."
It costs $0.006 on Kimi K2.7, and you get to see the whole raw reasoning trace.
GPT-5.4 mini costs $0.016 and its summarized.
And in case you are wondering both play incredibly stupidly.
Kimi:
A B C D E
1 . . . . .
2 . . . . .
3 X X X X X
4 . O O O O
5 . . . . .
GPT 5.4 mini:
1: X X X X X
2: O O . . .
3: . . O . .
4: . . . O .
5: . . . . O
a_c 21 minutes ago [-]
While LLM models are bad at games, they are perfectly capable of writing a RL agent to train on the game itself.
ubanholzer 2 hours ago [-]
Nice idea. I just asked Haiku to do the same in Claude Chat on iOS: it created a interactive react game, implemented the rules and let it play. Clever move for 1$ input and 5$ output, Anthropic!
kingstnap 2 hours ago [-]
Btw if anyone is wondering, GPT 5.5 does the same garbage as 5.4 mini for 4 times the cost.
Fable manages to make a reasonable game, at a cost of 40 cents.
X X O O O
O O X X X
X X X O O
X O O X O
X O X X O
asimovDev 3 hours ago [-]
when i will be extremely bored, I think I will make two models play chess against each other. I bet there's a chess benchmark / llm tournament already somewhere
> These models are hosted on US-based Azure AI Foundry infrastructure managed by GitHub and Microsoft. Customer prompts and responses are not sent to the original model developers.
Is GitHub Copilot the best positioned platform for enterprise? They support Claude, GPT, Gemini, and now even open weight models. Larger orgs are paying at API rates anyway so it costs just as much as anywhere else. They have a pretty good agent CLI and SDK, and now a desktop app. They have hosted agents, and you can run their 'Agentic Workflows' in CI.
Has their reputation tanked so much that the alternatives get all the buzz? Or is it that non-enterprise users are priced out by the usage costs, so no free marketing?
theplumber 41 minutes ago [-]
For some reasons compilot seems dummer than vscode Claude or vscode codex. I can’t tell what’s the exact reason but it didn’t feel right
a_c 9 minutes ago [-]
Must be the system prompts. Ask copilot to dump its system prompt, and compare the system prompt with claude. It is not accurate but handy. I bet they are quite different
gunalx 4 hours ago [-]
The rugpull with the pricing change without further notice was not taken kindly by enterprice.
kasey_junk 11 minutes ago [-]
Their harness is terrible compared to any of the other cli based harnesses I test against. Like shockingly bad.
This comes up all the time at work because the vendor management people don’t understand the llm ecosystem and think Claude through copilot is the same as Claude through Claude code.
A simple side by side comparison will show dramatic under performance 3 or 4 times out of five when I’m asked to explain the difference.
lbreakjai 2 hours ago [-]
We just cancelled everyone's plans and rolled liteLLM out internally. We kept it for the insanely cheap tokens, but now that they've switched to the new pricing, they're just like openrouter, just with far fewer models.
attentive 4 hours ago [-]
They were, until they decided to commit suicide for the service.
theanonymousone 55 minutes ago [-]
A very sharp slap in the face of those of us who kept our annual plans and didn't ask for s refund: It seems it will not be available to annual subscriptions.
impact_sy 4 hours ago [-]
When will DeepSeek be available?
pkaye 4 hours ago [-]
The V4 models are already in the Azure AI foundry so maybe a good chance of it coming.
johnathan101 3 hours ago [-]
Competition in coding models has gotten intense. A year ago it felt like choosing between two options. Now the bigger question is which model to route each task to.
SeriousM 4 hours ago [-]
Who really cares? The model multipliers and the artificial currency were the final nail in the Github Copilot coffin.
sognetic 4 hours ago [-]
Enterprises still have big contracts with github, those companies are imposing tight spending limits now and if the open weight models enable those limits to last a bit longer that's probably quite popular.
tapirl 2 hours ago [-]
Unlike Google, the AI wave appears to deliver positive revenue impacts for Microsoft.
The company does need to integrate the new AI-human-machine interface into its application development SDKs.
boundless88 5 hours ago [-]
When will GitHub Copilot support integrating custom models?
summarity 29 minutes ago [-]
It has supported custom, local, any BYOM for quite a while.
I work at GitHub but even then I often use OpenRouter models in the CLI and Copilot App
mvATM99 3 hours ago [-]
It does, but it's very poorly documented and quite unstable (on purpose i think). What the other commenter said about the VSCode BYOK seems to be the more reliable way.
I tried adding a Foundry LLM as Github Copilot custom model and failed miserably. But with VSCode BYOK (and Github Copilot as the interfact) i did get it working, and i can now use Deepseek V4 Flash with Copilot.
Klaster_1 5 hours ago [-]
AFAIK you can already use custom models in VSCode Copilot, but probably not for cloud workloads yet.
I've set up a small rig, mostly settled on Qwen3.6 and I'm slowly adding features myself. It probably can't compete with Claude. I don't even know, I've stopped checking. It's providing a ton of value to me as is, and it only keeps getting better. All it takes is to realize that it doesn't actually matter if the grass is (maybe even objectively) greener somewhere else. Feels so good to know that it won't change under my feet. I've got this amazing, highly extensible tool, and it's mine.
Unfortunately the June pricing change for Copilot forced me personally as well as my entire department at work to switch to Claude Code. With copilot we were hitting a few dollars of extra spend over the included credits in April and May, then in June we started chewing through the monthly budget every 2-3 days.
Just a completely insane price hike from the customer's perspective, I don't know what MS were thinking there.
Even if that is the price they need to be sustainable they should have waited until the competition changed their prices first. I wouldn't be surprised if Copilot lost 50% or more of their customer base last month.
Eventually this could be where all the major players set their prices, so the thought occurs to me that nations should run some form of "public access AI", just like they did for TV. Use the free open models and use tax money to finance a few datacenters. Geo-lock the use and set strict throttles to manage load, but let school children and citizens use that AI freely otherwise.
If Copilot's pricing is the level for all AI in a few years, only the unicorn companies can afford to use them, and everybody else has no chance of competing with a company that can use AI.
They did...
They're literally just passing on the costs https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/about-claude/pricing
Anthropic just provides a subscription - which Enterprise usually doesn't want you to use because everything you're submitting through that will be trained on / becomes part of their model.
So If you use it without explicit permission from your employer you may be committing a contract violation which can have serious consequences - up to jail time - as they can sue you for that.
Honest question, can you ellaborate? If given the option, I use OpenCode but what do you find in Copilot CLI that makes you prefer it to Claude Code?
I've swapped to the 20x Claude plan for a month or two to knock out two ideas I need to get it MVP - expecting Claude to go token priced soon.
However, last month they introduced a new pricing model ( I know the old pricing was not sustainable), and my USD 10 was exhausted within days. Because of that, I switched to Claude Code and Codex and have never looked back. Yes, tokens on Claude Code and Codex are subsidized heavily, but let's just enjoy when good things last.
I do feel there is a difference between using Claude via Copilot versus using Claude directly in Claude Code. I'm not sure what Microsoft is doing behind the scenes.
Anthropic seems to have a modest lead on their harness and models, so it’s a best-of-both-worlds scenario.
> I'm not sure what Microsoft is doing behind the scenes
It’s probably the exact same model, but the tools and the prompts around it are worse, so you get worse results.
The new pricing model where I got banned from using Opus entirely and half a day of work (with weaker models) consumed the 10$ plan was.
I'm now using a Claude Max subscription and I can get close to the daily limits but I'm fairly happy with the overall plan consumption.
ACP is just a standard that bridges harnesses easily into IDEs, Text Editors, or whatever consumes it (I wrote a TUI that consumes them)
The registry for all the agents (tool harnesses) is here https://github.com/agentclientprotocol/registry if you ever are curious to what Zed or IntelliJ are really hooking into
I paid $6 yesterday for DeepSeek V4 Flash on OpenRouter. That's like $120 dollar for a month, and it's not even a good model.
I'll try that.
Might very well be that a better model is cheaper if it gets things right the first try.
Maybe I should route to a better model when v4flash hasn't solved after a specific number of tokens.
The performance, if we trust the benchmarks, put it at Sonnet 4.6.
Let’s see if it’s worth it with GitHubs pricing.
I'm going to be called a chiller again, but at this point I don't care as it is relevant. Synthetic runs their own models for a reasonable price, GLM5.2 & Kimi K2.7-Code included.
Referral link :
https://synthetic.new/?referral=kwjqga9QYoUgpZV
Cache hit (most important): $0.19
Output: $4.00
This is the same as how much Moonshot charges for it, and it puts it at roughly the price of GPT 5.4 mini, not a bad option.
For some context here is a stupid prompt that wastes tokens: "Play a game of tic tac toe against yourself on a 5x5 board, you need 5 in a row to win."
It costs $0.006 on Kimi K2.7, and you get to see the whole raw reasoning trace.
GPT-5.4 mini costs $0.016 and its summarized.
And in case you are wondering both play incredibly stupidly.
Kimi:
GPT 5.4 mini:Fable manages to make a reasonable game, at a cost of 40 cents.
Saw in a discussion on Reddit that the team is evaluating glm5.2 so hopefully more to come!
https://fireworks.ai/blog/kimi-k2p7-code
I don’t know much about them but they did a deal with Microsoft in March:
https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/introducing-fireworks...
Says that they are run by Moonshot
From your link: https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/reference/ai-models/model....
Has their reputation tanked so much that the alternatives get all the buzz? Or is it that non-enterprise users are priced out by the usage costs, so no free marketing?
This comes up all the time at work because the vendor management people don’t understand the llm ecosystem and think Claude through copilot is the same as Claude through Claude code.
A simple side by side comparison will show dramatic under performance 3 or 4 times out of five when I’m asked to explain the difference.
The company does need to integrate the new AI-human-machine interface into its application development SDKs.
I work at GitHub but even then I often use OpenRouter models in the CLI and Copilot App
I tried adding a Foundry LLM as Github Copilot custom model and failed miserably. But with VSCode BYOK (and Github Copilot as the interfact) i did get it working, and i can now use Deepseek V4 Flash with Copilot.
https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/reference/ai-models/model...
They are run by Moonshot itself, so probably china