Still got my Mega Drive, purchased circa 1994. Recently brought it back to life with a Level Hike (I know, apparently RAD2x is better, anyway works well enough for me) HDMI adapter (otherwise sadly it doesn't work with new digital-only TVs), the main unit and all my old games (Sonic 1 and 2, Columns, Alex Kidd in the Enchanted Castle, Wonder Boy in Monster World, Shining Force (needed new battery in cartridge for save state), Sword of Vermilion) still functioning perfectly after all these years (just needed some vigorous dusting of bottom of cartridges). Got my kids on it, they love it: "dad, so cool, boots up instantly, no lag, no ads" (unlike the rubbish apps on their other devices!).
Awesome to hear that Linux has arrived on Mega Drive. Just need it to boot up (how Sonic 1 boots up saying "seee-gaah") and to drone out "liii-nuux", hahaha.
gwbas1c 35 minutes ago [-]
Honestly, it's worth trying the Sega app on Switch / Switch 2. The games look and play great, you can save at any time, and you can "rewind" if a game gets a little too hard. The wireless controllers are also great too. (Granted, it only has Sonic 2.)
I've been slowly working through games I never got around to playing when I was a kid.
jaza 26 minutes ago [-]
I haven't tried Sega games on Switch (and I believe some were available on Wii before that?). But I have also played some of my old games on PC emulators. "Save state" / "load state" is indeed very handy. Keyboard mappings is an inferior experience to a real controller, but meh, you get used to it.
functionmouse 60 minutes ago [-]
people go through so much trouble buying expensive converters, scalers, etc. to make their old games look good on their new tv when there's plenty of old CRTs at thrift stores for maybe like 50 bucks for an excellent one with all the fancy hookups like component and everything, I don't get it. I understand CRTs aren't gonna be around forever so we should in fact be working towards future proofing but, they are around now. You can even find small ones if transportation or space is an issue.
jaza 30 minutes ago [-]
It wasn't to make my old games look good - it was just to make them work, period. I only have a flat-screen TV with digital inputs, I don't have a CRT. The HDMI adapter (which includes the converter / scaler) was about 50 bucks, a CRT could have easily cost more than that (and would quite possibly have taken longer to find, would have a shorter remaining lifespan, would require more maintenance, etc). Space is an issue, I live in a small-ish apartment. I guess the retro experience would be more authentic with a CRT, but it's authentic enough for me on a modern TV, and it's simple and it works.
ChrisRR 9 minutes ago [-]
I just emulate. So much easier
aquova 30 minutes ago [-]
You're lucky, I search fairly often and never come across CRTs at thrift stores. The only option is to buy comically overpriced ones off marketplace, and I live in a large metro area.
cwnyth 39 minutes ago [-]
I still have two, a Trinitron and an RCE. For a while, you couldn't give these away.
I sadly had to part with a 52" projector TV that had s-video inputs. Classics games on that was a thing to behold.
gwbas1c 37 minutes ago [-]
Honestly, I think old games look best on modern TVs with an HDMI cable and no attempt to interlace / emulate the CRT.
malux85 58 minutes ago [-]
Streets of Rage 2
Ghouls and Ghosts
Radical Rex
Jurassic Park
These megadrive games had great art and music and are still really enjoyable today
matheusmoreira 6 hours ago [-]
Genesis does what Nintendon't.
> The lowly 68000 in the Sega doesn’t have a memory management unit required for the full Linux experience, so what’s really running here is a kernel compiled with the -nommu option.
Huh... I thought Linux actually required MMUs. I was under the impression it'd never run on these old consoles because of that. Learned something new today.
> A QEMU fork that emulates enough of the MegaDrive and the EverDrive to play with this without the real hardware is included.
That's seriously impressive.
piltdownman 59 minutes ago [-]
There was no MMU in the Macintosh Classic/SE lineup which used the 68k as a CPU, but they still support the microcontroller targeted distros like uClinux. Unfortunately the tight integration with the ToolBox ROM makes it a fairly Herculean task. Microsoft bizarrely enough released Xenix for the Apple LISA as well, but that's more of a historic oddity.
Similarly, Basilisk II is a very worthy emulator for Mac 68k emulation so there's a lot to draw on for QEMU and the like.
nommuenjoyer 37 minutes ago [-]
I plan to get this working on nommu mac at some point but I don't have one yet. I have a pile of 030/040 macs. Its not mentioned but this mc68000 kernel actually uses devicetree (like arm..) so its fairly portable.
In my QEMU fork there is support for a 68000 virt machine so you can have a multi-ghz emulated 68000 with 128MB RAM (maybe more, haven't tested) if you really want that.
piltdownman 18 minutes ago [-]
Much respect for your endeavours.
N.B. The Author of Chip4Mac68000 has been planning a port of uClinux in the future with his SDK which explicitly avoids using the Macintosh ROM at all, running bare metal directly on the hardware. Might be worth taking a look at if you're unfamiliar.
nommuenjoyer 5 minutes ago [-]
Interesting.. I have some experience with the macintosh ROM from trying to fix up the EMILE bootloader for Linux (its boots like grub instead of being a macos app).
Getting a recent GCC etc not to mess up calling stuff in the ROM was painful but QEMU emulates enough of the Quadra 800 that I could at least debug when registers were getting trashed etc with GDB. Alas, it still has some weird issues on real machines and randomly refuses to boot.
I'm going to do a u-boot port for the Mac at some point. It'll use the ROM to get loaded and then get rid of it. That'll work on nommu and mmu Macs and make the modern linux on Mac experience a bit nicer.
cjd8 5 hours ago [-]
>Huh... I thought Linux actually required MMUs. I was under the impression it'd never run on these old consoles because of that. Learned something new today.
There have been variants of the kernel around for some time that can run on microcontrollers without an MMU (mainly uCLinux).
Of course the 2.5 line was the unstable pre-release for the 2.6 kernel. That means that stable mainline linux has had nommu since 2.6.0, which was released 17 December 2003.
So yes, some time indeed.
sp8 6 hours ago [-]
I have such fond memories of my time back in the day owning a MegaDrive. It wasn't my first or last games console, but it was my formative one. It was a time in my life when I was into video games (Sonic 2 being the only game I ever played to completion). It pleases me to realise there's still a community around the MegaDrive and - as others has said - this is so crazy but wonderful to see!
urbsgpw 2 hours ago [-]
Ya same here. Sonic and on the PC, Jazz Jackrabbit. I loved that hare.
HerbManic 8 hours ago [-]
Very cool to see, so pointless it just had to be done.
I was wondering how it was squeezed into 64KB of RAM but it uses the 4MB on the Everdrive cart. With that it makes sense, considering Linux can run on an N64 with 4MB of RAM.
ChrisRR 37 minutes ago [-]
RAM is hardly the only difference between the N64 and megadrive. The N64 has an MMU for one thing
walrus01 7 hours ago [-]
If this runs on a megadrive (Genesis), would this also boot on a Sega Nomad, the portable version of a genesis?
mikepavone 7 hours ago [-]
It should. There are some small differences between the Nomad and a normal Gen/MD, but nothing that should impact something like this
bitwize 9 hours ago [-]
Absolutely nuts and squirrels.
Then again, I did know that the Mega Drive's CPU loadout (68000 and Z80) is the same as the first Unix machine I ever used (a TRS-80 Model 16), so running some form of Unix on it was therefore, theoretically, possible...
(didn't find the sales numbers, for those wondering. Sorry!)
croes 9 hours ago [-]
I guess parent is pedantic about Megadrive instead of Mega Drive
msephton 2 hours ago [-]
Love that chart! It could also apply almost exactly to the "Buster Bros." artocle (everybody else other than North America knows it as "Pang"). This sort of rewriting of history is rife on Wikipedia.
cwnyth 37 minutes ago [-]
We Japanese importers also knew it as Pang.
nommuenjoyer 17 hours ago [-]
And it really is on a MegaDrive as I only tested this stuff on a Japanese MegaDrive.
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Awesome to hear that Linux has arrived on Mega Drive. Just need it to boot up (how Sonic 1 boots up saying "seee-gaah") and to drone out "liii-nuux", hahaha.
I've been slowly working through games I never got around to playing when I was a kid.
I sadly had to part with a 52" projector TV that had s-video inputs. Classics games on that was a thing to behold.
Ghouls and Ghosts
Radical Rex
Jurassic Park
These megadrive games had great art and music and are still really enjoyable today
> The lowly 68000 in the Sega doesn’t have a memory management unit required for the full Linux experience, so what’s really running here is a kernel compiled with the -nommu option.
Huh... I thought Linux actually required MMUs. I was under the impression it'd never run on these old consoles because of that. Learned something new today.
> A QEMU fork that emulates enough of the MegaDrive and the EverDrive to play with this without the real hardware is included.
That's seriously impressive.
Similarly, Basilisk II is a very worthy emulator for Mac 68k emulation so there's a lot to draw on for QEMU and the like.
In my QEMU fork there is support for a 68000 virt machine so you can have a multi-ghz emulated 68000 with 128MB RAM (maybe more, haven't tested) if you really want that.
N.B. The Author of Chip4Mac68000 has been planning a port of uClinux in the future with his SDK which explicitly avoids using the Macintosh ROM at all, running bare metal directly on the hardware. Might be worth taking a look at if you're unfamiliar.
I'm going to do a u-boot port for the Mac at some point. It'll use the ROM to get loaded and then get rid of it. That'll work on nommu and mmu Macs and make the modern linux on Mac experience a bit nicer.
There have been variants of the kernel around for some time that can run on microcontrollers without an MMU (mainly uCLinux).
Of course the 2.5 line was the unstable pre-release for the 2.6 kernel. That means that stable mainline linux has had nommu since 2.6.0, which was released 17 December 2003.
So yes, some time indeed.
I was wondering how it was squeezed into 64KB of RAM but it uses the 4MB on the Everdrive cart. With that it makes sense, considering Linux can run on an N64 with 4MB of RAM.
Then again, I did know that the Mega Drive's CPU loadout (68000 and Z80) is the same as the first Unix machine I ever used (a TRS-80 Model 16), so running some form of Unix on it was therefore, theoretically, possible...
I've changed the title and URL to match https://github.com/LinuxMD/linuxmd and put the other URL in the toptext so people can look at it too.
And if I'm being pedantic (and I am) it's Sega Mega Drive.
Repo, which says Sega MegaDrive, is at: https://github.com/LinuxMD/linuxmd
Wikipedia has this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mega_Drive_vs_Genesis.gif
blue = Mega Drive, red = Genesis
Linked here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Vid...
(didn't find the sales numbers, for those wondering. Sorry!)