Even if it could rear up and balance like that, the energy expenditure vs calorific gain seems like a losing proposition. You're talking about raising the center of gravity of it's 40-ton body mass by 10-20 feet just to grab a very small mouthful of low calorific leaves.
I'd guess the reason the sauropods had an extra long neck was rather so they could AVOID moving as much as possible - stand in one place and just swivel neck around to graze a large area.
pivot_root 2 minutes ago [-]
I thought the same thing, which sent me down a bit of an unexpected rabbit hole in the topic. Greg Paul argued that thr chevron shape of the bones in the bottom of the tail point to sauropods rearing and using their tails as support . Heinrich Mallison did some biomechanical modeling and found that some of the anatomical features previously thought to support rearing might actually hinder it. And last year, a study on larger sauropods (Dreadnoughtus and Giraffatitan) showed that their femurs most likely couldn’t handle sustained stress of resting.
So it looks like this pose is based on anatomy, not biomechanics, and the one rigorous biomechanical sauropod-rearing study that exists didn’t even test this genus - which means the rearing question Mamenchisaurus is unresolved.
ALSO, consider how stiff their neck was, it could very well have spent most of the time grazing on the ground, like you said!
throwup238 17 minutes ago [-]
That’s an ongoing debate within paleontology that often takes place on a species by species basis. The argument goes that since diplodocids (which this species is not) had heavy muscular tails, their center of gravity was near their hips, making it easy to rear up since they were effectively already a balanced seesaw and could use the tail as a third point of contact to balance. Species in Mamenchisaurus share similar pelvic and tail features and M. youngi was show to have a stiff neck that couldn’t lift very easily, so it’s inferred that these may have reared as well. There are center of mass and skeletal models and stuff to determine whether rearing is possible but one hasn’t been made for this species specifically.
Sidenote: you underestimate the cardiovascular cost of pumping blood up a 5-15 meter neck. It’s not at all clear that a rearing strategy is more expensive energy wise. In their case it’s less spending energy to standup than just leaning back to let their skeletal structure and center of mass do the work.
Mostly I think this pose is a matter of logistics. They probably just had more vertical space than horizontal to work with for this exhibit.
w10-1 29 minutes ago [-]
If they could eat from higher branches than others, they could avoid competition for resources.
mankhb2k 18 minutes ago [-]
if the head falls of, they'll have to take everything apart just to put the head back on
dudeinjapan 2 minutes ago [-]
meh just put the head on the end of the tail, a lot less effort and no one will be any the wiser.
abnry 1 hours ago [-]
How can an animal even have a neck that long? Was it clear from the fossils that it is this long because I am skeptical.
bensyverson 58 minutes ago [-]
No, there's no way to tell—the paleontologists probably just took a bunch of bones from the site and threw them together in a way that looked cool. /s
sizzzzlerz 19 minutes ago [-]
Now that is an idea for a The Far Side cartoon
gerdesj 1 hours ago [-]
He's got some neck!
fsckboy 1 hours ago [-]
this statement is literally true: this dinosaur has a soar throat.
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Even if it could rear up and balance like that, the energy expenditure vs calorific gain seems like a losing proposition. You're talking about raising the center of gravity of it's 40-ton body mass by 10-20 feet just to grab a very small mouthful of low calorific leaves.
I'd guess the reason the sauropods had an extra long neck was rather so they could AVOID moving as much as possible - stand in one place and just swivel neck around to graze a large area.
So it looks like this pose is based on anatomy, not biomechanics, and the one rigorous biomechanical sauropod-rearing study that exists didn’t even test this genus - which means the rearing question Mamenchisaurus is unresolved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamenchisaurus
https://reptilis.net/DML/2009Apr/msg00036.html
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/pala.70019
ALSO, consider how stiff their neck was, it could very well have spent most of the time grazing on the ground, like you said!
Sidenote: you underestimate the cardiovascular cost of pumping blood up a 5-15 meter neck. It’s not at all clear that a rearing strategy is more expensive energy wise. In their case it’s less spending energy to standup than just leaning back to let their skeletal structure and center of mass do the work.
Mostly I think this pose is a matter of logistics. They probably just had more vertical space than horizontal to work with for this exhibit.