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I love my Bluetooth keyboard (liquidbrain.net)
pattilupone 10 minutes ago [-]
Is that you in the photo? You know, from the back, you kind of look like Conan O'Brien.
TeaVMFan 5 hours ago [-]
I was about to recommend the excellent Plugable folding keyboard: https://plugable.com/products/bt-key3xl

I used it as a key part of my software engineer's writing toolkit for the first draft of a novel: https://frequal.com/forwriters/

Unfortunately the Plugable keyboard appears to be discontinued. Perhaps it can still be found used. It is quite impressive. It folds small for travel. The keys travel nicely. The case magnetically clicks into a phone stand. The battery lasts a month or longer. Truly a mechanical marvel.

I only wish I'd bought two.

bookofjoe 5 hours ago [-]
Pikamander2 4 hours ago [-]
I haven't tried using it with my phone, but this Arteck one has served me well on my desktop PC.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09WDJNBT1

janmarsal 8 hours ago [-]
Still waiting for the day when I can get rid of my work laptop and replace it with a phone entirely. Technically it's already possible, but it's just not practical until I can easily run docker containers on my phone. Also the samsung desktop mode is a bit underwhelming right now.

If this is not the default in the next decade I'm gonna riot. Hotels could replace the TV with a big computer screen and the corner chair with an office chair. Even a cheap hotel room could be an office without anyone having to bring their own toys with them. Just the phone in your pocket.

pjc50 6 hours ago [-]
Windows Phone let you do this with Continuum ten years ago: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/01/14/conti...

Like the rest of the WP ecosystem, never really took off enough.

broken-kebab 5 hours ago [-]
I can't understand what exactly is in this dream you want to become true. It sounds like you want a portable device with physical keyboard, and reasonable screen size. Which is laptop.
forgotmypw17 5 hours ago [-]
I think it's about being able to take the portable device with you separately from the display and keyboard.
larrybud 4 hours ago [-]
So you mean a Microsoft Surface 2 in 1?
getpokedagain 5 hours ago [-]
I assume it's something like mine. I want a phone I can dock and use as a desktop with a monitor and mouse/keyboard. That is just a phone when undocked.

We have reactive UIs and desktop mode on android. It's getting very close. I am not certain on the previous commentors reasons but I detest the many device game. A 500 dollar pixel 10a is a great computer and I would rather not buy another machine if I dont have to.

bombcar 4 hours ago [-]
And if every iPhone was also a Mac when attached to a monitor and keyboard, monitors and keyboards would become entirely common - as with the hotel example.

My iPhone 15 Pro Max is more capable than a MacBook Neo; it’d be nice if it could be one.

Fnoord 4 hours ago [-]
Well, if you have BYOD policy consider yourself blessed. Many are simply not allowed to do whatever on their managed devices.

My recommendation is use OpenSSH (alternative: Wireguard, Tailscale for whole TCP/IP stack), tmux (or equivalent, there are alternatives such as zellij and rmux), and a keyboard (wired is more secure, YMMV). Then you have a thin client. Run Docker remotely, on a far more capable device than whatever your smartphone is. With Waydroid or another variant of remote Wayland you could even have the GUI part working.

I was able to do the above 5 years ago on Ubuntu and Arch. I am sure you can still do it nowadays.

One caveat. Don't do this in environments where you cannot auth in privacy. You must be able to trust your hardware, too. Don't bring this setup to e.g. China. You can put a strong password on your SSH private key, rotate it, and combine OTP/MFA.

Which leads me to say: I am puzzled how people can work in environments like coffeeshops, cafes, and I even see laptops used for work in swimming pool where I go weekly. Your screen can be viewed, recorded at all time, and I doubt the users are aware of that. Even passwords can be recorded.

usrnm 6 hours ago [-]
The last thing I want is work following me wherever I go. I even have a separate phone for all the work-related stuff that I only take with me when absolutely necessary. Which is almost never except when I'm oncall.
cbdevidal 3 hours ago [-]
Maybe rent a cheap VM for Docker?

I often think to myself when using my iPhone, there is no way I could get desktop work done with this. Can’t recall right now why I have said so but I think it had to do with keeping multiple apps open side by side.

For example this year I have been car shopping and I keep multiple windows open; this would be much harder on my iPhone. Maybe not so much an iPad.

xuhu 8 hours ago [-]
Though it might be a while before hotels start offering Aeron Classic chairs in their rooms.
MarceliusK 8 hours ago [-]
I want this too, though I suspect the hard part is less compute and more the boring peripheral/ecosystem stuff
close04 6 hours ago [-]
Mouse, keyboard and a screen would already cover the needs for most users. No need to wait until everything just works. As for the ecosystem, Apple’s Neo is a phone connected to a bunch of peripherals. Even on limited iPhone/iPad OS a more desktop like interface could easily be implemented. The iPad already has some half decent desktop approximation.

The hard part is getting Apple to cannibalize their desktop and tablet related sales. Because they’re the only ones with all the tools in the box. Samsung doesn’t have any proper OS of their own to take this role, they bolt it on Android.

user876 7 hours ago [-]
Postmarketos can run the containers, however a 4k desktop environment is still a bit sluggish
dietr1ch 48 minutes ago [-]
I wish computing evolved to let thin desktops evolve into some screen + phone mount where the dock provides extra power, compute+GPU, screen and peripherals.

The problem is attaching a thunderbolt/network CPU with it's own memory doesn't work as well (although aren't external GPUs similar? external compute+memory).

zmmmmm 10 hours ago [-]
If you want a full size foldable keyboard with function keys and a trackpad, I can recommend the ProtoArc XK01[0]. This is a good enough keyboard that I use it as my main keyboard at home, and it's surprisingly cool to be able to just fold up your daily driver keyboard and take it with you.

[0] https://www.protoarc.com/products/xk01-tp-foldable-keyboard-...

getpokedagain 5 hours ago [-]
Thanks I have debated this https://www.bestbuy.com/product/lenovo-thinkpad-trackpoint-k... keyboard-on-the-go

For a similar reason.

Client1003 1 hours ago [-]
I'm a big trackpoint fan and proud owner of an X1 Carbon Gen 7 Thinkpad, but I would not recommend this keyboard.

The build quality is pretty bad. Sometimes the keys fail to type and the keys' mushiness makes for an unsatisfying typing experience. I have two but this was after buying a total of 4 and returning the two defective ones.

If Lenovo were to replace the cheap feeling plastic casing for alumninum, it would be a game changer.

I'm hoping the new framework keyboard can become my new daily driver, replacing the trackpoint keyboards I currently use.

bartvk 9 hours ago [-]
It's not expensive either, just $46 (EUR. 41). Weirdly enough, they only sell/ship to the five biggest EU countries.
coldtea 8 hours ago [-]
They have a direct link to buy from AliExpress
jeroenhd 7 hours ago [-]
I tried to follow that link, but AliExpress only lists one product (a mouse jiggler) when I actually went to that website.

German Amazon should ship to me without additional costs but then I'd end up with QWERTZ...

MarceliusK 8 hours ago [-]
Most folding keyboards I've tried felt like travel compromises first and keyboards second
fransje26 5 hours ago [-]
On which OS did you try it?
jbverschoor 9 hours ago [-]
I'm used to having a trackpad below the keyboard
gunalx 9 hours ago [-]
So something like this[1] could be cool then. A actual thinkpad keyboard with touchpad, bluetooth, trackpoint and even a fingerprint reader.

[1] https://sharktastica.co.uk/keyboard-directory/GD2va1CX

luke-stanley 7 hours ago [-]
I got a pocket-sized Bluetooth keyboard (also used for travel around Asia), 195mm x 85mm x 15mm, with a flap - NOT a foldable keyboard, though it does have a cover flap and a kickstand. Sold under a few brands, but the dimensions are quite specific. Mine was sold under a "Doohoeek" brand; "CACOE" is another. It doesn't have a touchpad, though.

Its size reminds me of my Psion Series 5 days many years ago. While it doesn't clamshell-mount my phone, my phone sits on the KB nicely, though it's still two things to carry around, not one (I miss the Psion still). I have bought loads of Bluetooth keyboards. Foldable keyboards have more parts to break and have to be unfolded to use them.

Previously I got the TECHGEAR Active Strike Pro MINI Slim (230mm x 149mm x 6mm), not pocket-sized, but it has a touchpad. The Geyes Foldable "tri-foldable" (223mm x 54mm x 18mm closed, 223mm x 170mm x 6mm open) got a broken hinge.

For comparison:

- Pocket keyboard ("Doohoeek", "CACOE", etc): 195 x 85 x 15 mm. Pocket-sized, flap/kickstand; no touchpad.

- TECHGEAR Active Strike Pro MINI Slim: 230 x 149 x 6 mm. Not pocket-sized; has touchpad.

- Geyes tri-foldable: 223 x 54 x 18 mm closed; 223 x 170 x 6 mm open. Foldable; hinge risk.

yard2010 9 hours ago [-]
Not long ago there was this dude here that made a typewriter from an old laptop by using text only Debian neovim and a few other tools which made me think, it's funny how something like a typewriter evolves to a personal computer only to.. de-volve? back to a typewriter.

I love my keyboards the same way my wife loves shoes. We can't get enough of them. Clicking on different switches feels like a constant dopamine flow and a lesson in paying attention. If you have no idea what I'm talking about I highly recommend you start trying mechanical switches.

esquivalience 9 hours ago [-]
> Not long ago there was this dude here ...

*dudette! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48250144

8 hours ago [-]
sheiyei 7 hours ago [-]
>> If you have no idea what I'm talking about I highly recommend you start trying mechanical switches.

I recommend instead just buying one decent keyboard and using your money on something useful.

rick_dalton 6 hours ago [-]
Why do you care? It’s a hobby like anything else.
tnelsond4 11 hours ago [-]
If you get an Android you can use termux and do literally anything. I like to write websites, write newsletters in vim and run a jekyll instance, transcode video with ffmpeg, etc.
1313ed01 9 hours ago [-]
Termux and DOSBox are great for running or writing software on a phone. I almost never resort to installing or writing apps anymore as that is just more cumbersome and has APIs that keep breaking (not to mention the threats from Google about making non-Play app deployment more regulated).
MarceliusK 8 hours ago [-]
I think the remaining friction is mostly ergonomics and integration
card_zero 8 hours ago [-]
Termux for iOs might also be available, cursory searching suggests.
alamortsubite 4 hours ago [-]
Termux on Android is truly phenomenal in its capabilities. Unfortunately, nothing even close to it exists on iOS. Termux from the App store is completely unrelated, and essentially a scam.
drbscl 8 hours ago [-]
The iOS one is pretty much just an SSH client (and also seems like a different developer piggybacking off the name)
djfergus 7 hours ago [-]
ish and a-Shell both give you a terminal and some sort of semblance of a Unix vm with package management.

Both good but nowhere near the termux ecosystem and integration

JoshTriplett 10 hours ago [-]
I'd highly recommend the iClever BK05S. It's the same size as a normal laptop keyboard, so your fingers don't need to feel cramped. It lays flat and stable, it types well, it pairs easily, it charges with USB-C, and you can use it as a wired USB-C keyboard in a pinch.
yread 10 hours ago [-]
Only problem is where to get it. Unavailable everywhere, spoke to the manufacturer on alibaba and they told me its EOL:( And if it breaks they probably won't repair it anyway.

It's a derivation of an old Kickstarter project: Jorno keyboard

MDib 7 hours ago [-]
I got the slightly smaller BK03 in Japan a few years back. I travel with it along with a mag-safe battery pack with a built-in kickstand, so that it forms a lovely typing setup even on a small cafe table.

An unexpected bonus is that the setup short-circuits a lot of reflexive app-switching and idle scrolling. With the phone propped up, I have to actually reach for the screen, so my thumbs don’t just wander from typing to home/app drawer gesture.

JoshTriplett 5 hours ago [-]
I found the BK03 too small to comfortably type on.
imrehg 10 hours ago [-]
I've just recently got a mechanical keyboard, after doing a workspace ergonomics assessment, and also cultural influence from various other developer friends, etc...

It's a Keychron Q10 Max (Alice Layout) - looks like a split keyboard but it's one piece. It's excellent typing, has both wired (USB-C) and wireless (Bluetooth, probably also radio too? I don't use that) connectivity too. I don't normally use the LED lights, but occasionally they are fun...

It's heavy, so not portable like the one the author uses. Had something like that before, the portability was nice, but then didn't use it much. This is not (practically) portable, but still has all the flexibility, and it's a joy typing with it. I wouldn't go as far as I love a piece of euqipment, but I do look forward using it every day.

I do think more about keyboards as I use Mac, Linux, built in laptop keyboards, this stand alone one, etc... And because of the variety it's really hard to build up some muscle-memory. Ctrl, Option, Alt, Fn, ... basically all the extra keys beside the alphabet are slightly different in all systems. So it's more conscious typing than I'd hope for, but not toooooo bad (and it's not the keyboard's problem, I might have to look into remapping stuff, but it's not that level of pain yet).

Happy typing, everyone!

vladvasiliu 9 hours ago [-]
I've looked at those and was considering buying one since I already own a K2 v1 which I love. But for the life of me I cannot understand why they switched from the 5-key layout on the rightmost vertical to a 4-key one. And Keychron are not the only ones, I've seen other manufacturers with the same layout, both Alice and regular 75%. Especially since there still is physical space for the missing key. This would allow direct access to home / end / pgup / pgdn. But now, one of them is missing, or delete is missing, etc.
utopcell 6 hours ago [-]
The Q10 has been my daily driver for years, great keyboard. I see that they're coming out with a split alice [1] though sadly it seems it is only for the Chinese market

[1] https://www.guru3d.com/story/keychron-launches-z11-ultra-8k-...

zdragnar 9 hours ago [-]
> It's heavy, so not portable like the one the author uses

My first mechanical keyboard was a das keyboard, which was also quite heavy, and it completely spoiled other keyboards for me.

I've tried quite a few others since in various configurations, but discovered if it doesn't feel like it's got a lead brick in it, I'm not interested.

emptyfile 7 hours ago [-]
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AnthonBerg 2 hours ago [-]
Stalled project: I ordered a replacement keyboard for an Alienware gaming laptop, one that has Cherry MX ULP ultralow profile switches. Very very nice. Then I was going to butcher it into a triptych – cut it in three parts – and bodge a RP2350 controller on each. And figure out some kind of case-something. Tadaa! Actual keyboard – real keyboard – that's actually portable.
dima55 10 hours ago [-]
At least with android devices, you can plug in any usb keyboard, and have it work. Those are free, in the garbage all over the place
almog 3 hours ago [-]
Or use scrcpy with the same keyboard you already have and save your neck some of the pain of staring down at your phone (as can be seen in the post).
valleyer 10 hours ago [-]
You can do that with iPhone, too, using the (poorly named) "USB Camera Adapter", which splits out a USB type-A jack. (I assume you need a similar adapter on most Android phones, too, since I've never seen one with a type-A jack built in.)
mattlondon 6 hours ago [-]
I can plug in the same USB-C dock I use for my Mac and everything just works on the android phone.

You even see the phone screen mirrored on the monitor, complete with mouse cursor etc.

The sad thing is it is just literal copy of the phone screen. It does not have a "desktop mode".

c-hendricks 33 minutes ago [-]
Can do the same with iPhone. Sending this from an iPhone 15 connected to the same dock + Logitech keyboard / mouse used for my MacBook.
vladvasiliu 8 hours ago [-]
I don't think so. I think usb-c based phones don't need any type of active adapter.

For example, on usb-c iphones, I can plug my camera with a c-to-c cable in mass storage mode and it shows up. So I expect a dumb a-to-c adapter would work. On my lightning-based iphone, a c-to-lightning cable doesn't work.

I'd assume it's the same for androids and keyboards.

luqtas 10 hours ago [-]
reminds me the time i had an iPhone SE (1° gen) and i could play 1-3 minutes of garageband with my Korg keyboard using it and then it stopped saying my (adapter) wasn't offcial :) the official gadget in Brazil was > 10 times more expensive than the cheap copies
criddell 6 hours ago [-]
That message appears when the microprocessor in the cable crashes or hangs.
gib444 10 hours ago [-]
The bonus being that typing properly works (the lag on Bluetooth drives me insane and often a key press is missed)
kauli 6 hours ago [-]
I originally got a Nuphy Air 75 slim mechanical kb to lug around to school, since the iMacs we had there had horrible cheap kbs. It has since surpassed a full sized mechanical as my primary kb. Occasionally on weekend trips, when I wanted to get some stuff done, I've opted to only take the Air 75 instead of a laptop and worked on the phone, either in notes, cloud or termux. Sometimes I've thought about getting a neck holder for the phone to improve ergonomics, but so far the wacky image of using one in public has deterred me from it.
nchmy 6 hours ago [-]
I don't understand the various Mac references... Is he comparing a phone to someone with a laptop or even desktop (and Apple in particular)?
llm_nerd 6 hours ago [-]
Yes. He's noting that people with Macs can engage in message exchanges on their Macs. Like I get a message from someone on my phone and if it merits a more considered response I wake my Mac and reply from there.

Obviously other platforms have various integrations with messaging as well, but he obviously is referring to people he knows who happen to have Macs.

mattlondon 6 hours ago [-]
Yes was going to say on android I've been using SMS and WhatsApp messages from my computer for years too. Mac, Linux, Windows, Chromebooks all integrate seamlessly and nicely so not sure what the issue is?
nchmy 5 hours ago [-]
Moreover, it's largely irrelevant - the topic of the article was using a keyboard without having to drag around a laptop/desktop. If someone replied to a text on their MacBook, they'd have broken that constraint
llm_nerd 4 hours ago [-]
I honestly do not understand why people get weirdly defensive about stuff like this. Guy offhanded commented on some Mac friends and weird other platform users have to get angry and huffy.

The "topic of the article" was that a guy realized that a bluetooth keyboard makes it nicer typing things on his phone. Nowhere did he talking about "without having to drag around" anything, and he incidentally mentioned that he didn't bring a computer.

It is utterly bizarre that people get unhinged and mad that he mentioned Macs. But let's be real - for Mac users, integration with messages is free and automatic. For other platforms it simply isn't, and the vast majority of time isn't used at all. If someone is messaging from a computer (on iMessages, SMS, MMS, and now RCS), 99% of the time it's going to be a guy sitting at a Mac just as a lubrication of use.

So the next time some random tosser article doesn't mention your pet love, maybe just move on?

mattlondon 2 hours ago [-]
> I honestly do not understand why people get weirdly defensive about stuff like this

It is usually because people inside the Mac ecosystem just assume that everything else is trash, and anyone not using a Mac is just banging rocks together.

They buy totally into the marketing about it being "the first ever", the "fastest ever", "for the first time" or "most <whatever superlative> ever" etc marketing, and many have not used e.g. and Android phone or e.g. a Chromebook or whatever, in many many years (if at all) and are basing their opinions on half-remembered Windows XP experiences Vs modern iPhone or whatever, assuming the current non-mac experience is still like "the old days" and that macs are somehow bringing something new or innovative that isn't available elsehwere. There is the term "reality distortion field" relating to apple products that I did not invent but I think sums it up.

I am forced to use a Mac for work everyday (alongside gnome Linux, and my personal choice is windows and Chromebook) and really dislike the user experience of Macs in comparison. The recent UX failures and inconsistencies are already well-documented but even before that there are systemic design things that make macs painful to use... especially if you know there are better ways. The hardware is nice though!

lencastre 11 hours ago [-]
On “field trips” where laptop is too much and just the iphone is too little, I have been pairing my ipad with a k380 for the last 200 years and cannot complain much. The only warning I get is that k380 causes some kind of interference with the apple pencil and other bluetooth connected devices. Can’t precise exactly how much though.
albert_e 10 hours ago [-]
Logitech!

Love-hate relationship with their products.

I have M570 trackball and it's perfect for me and i love it.

Only problem -- the switch on it fails in one year and starts doubleclicking like crazy.

(I am aware of DIY fixes to replace the switch that needs desoldering and soldering)

Accumulated six useless M570 trackballs in past six years. I hate that.

They are waiting for me to find enough time and motivation to attempt the DIY fix. Maybe after I retire in a few decades.

vladvasiliu 9 hours ago [-]
Didn't you look at the mx trackball? I've had one for ages [0], and it still goes strong. The only annoyance is that I regularly have to clean its base, or a bunch of grime accumulates.

---

[0] I don't remember when I bought it exactly, but I'm sure it was before covid because I remember having it delivered at my old office with a bunch of other mice to test. I moved to a new office in 2020.

jordand 10 hours ago [-]
I'm stuck in the same relationship with them: MX Master 3s/4 is my perfect productivity mouse. Problem? The rubber coating gradually disintegrates and accumulates dirt. ERGO K860 is my perfect keyboard. Problem? The plastic ABS surface of the keys wears and smooths in just a few months. The first set of AAA batteries have a far longer life!

If only they didn't cheap out on the materials and plastic quality.

petee 5 hours ago [-]
Same here, seems like everyone has forgotten how to make rubber products; my 10yr thinkpad is a mix of brittle and going-gooey on different parts. I'm on my second MX Anywhere

I use 5-min epoxy and a toothpick to rebuild the nubs when they wear off. Keyboards don't last long if you have calluses

RASBR89 8 hours ago [-]
Get a soldering iron and fix! I did. It’s sort of fun in a way. Shouldn’t have to do it, sure, but it saves you buying more and more. You could fix the fleet!
stavros 9 hours ago [-]
I have the same trackball, and did end up having to change the switches after a year. They need changing again, I should stock up on them in the hopes of having something that works for a while.
znpy 11 hours ago [-]
> k380

Logitech k380? Jesus Christ those round keys are ugly as unemployment.

loloquwowndueo 6 hours ago [-]
Don’t look at them. Touch typing is the only true way.
MarceliusK 8 hours ago [-]
I've noticed the same thing with writing on smaller screens too: shorter paragraphs, less overthinking, and a lower psychological barrier to starting
j45 6 hours ago [-]
Smaller screens can help, but can be counteracted by fast typing. Impt to be mindful of both.
eapotapov 10 hours ago [-]
I've recently bought a samsung galaxy tab s11.

I had some huawei tablet for reading before, but now the main goal was to be able to ssh/kubectl to remote machines and for quick surfing, chats, etc (my new laptop is heavy).

I was trying to find a case + keyboard with good reviews, no luck then, I didn't think it was possible, I've found out that you can use an apple magic keyboard with it and I had a spare one, so I have a case and a bluetooth magic keyboard.

The keyboard, comparing to anything that is sold for tablets is amazing, laptop experience.

denistarasenko 8 hours ago [-]
That's nice, never heard of anyone using a keyboard for a phone. I use it for for my mac though and I can't imagine my life now without it, each typing feels liberating. Although, mac's keyboard is not bad either, it's just different. You basically can't get tired when typing mac's one because it doesn't require any effort clicking actually buttons.
chasil 8 hours ago [-]
Android allows both keyboards and mice, either via USB On The Go adaptors, or Bluetooth.
yread 10 hours ago [-]
Next step is to get a foldable keyboard: Action is selling one for 6 eur or go fancy with IC bk-05s). Fits in a jacket pocket and with some getting used is almost as good
frail_figure 10 hours ago [-]
I'm so confused by the picture. He's looking at a tiny phone screen when there's a proper display right next to him.
diroussel 10 hours ago [-]
Yes, it can be confusing if you don’t read the article. He said he went on a 10 day trip and didn’t take a computer. That is context for why he got a Bluetooth keyboard. I doubt he decided to bring a monitor on the trip.
fmajid 8 hours ago [-]
Android now has a desktop mode on phones like the Pixel that support HDMI out on the USB-C port
larrybud 4 hours ago [-]
As do modern iPhones
fmajid 32 minutes ago [-]
Really? All I get on my iPhone 16 Plus is mirroring of the screen. Unless it is a feature of iOS 26, that I refuse to install on my iDevices.
kqr 10 hours ago [-]
> and use copy/paste

Also ctrl-z for undo! I recommend looking into Unexpected Keyboard for a virtual Qwerty with a control key.

politelemon 8 hours ago [-]
> I really wish there was an alt+tab replacement for window switching in iOS.

On Android it's a simple Alt+Tab to switch between apps; press it to bring up the current apps, then Alt+Tab lets you cycle through them too. In general Android is much more keyboard friendly.

andreypopp 8 hours ago [-]
Cmd+Tab works on iOS on iPad, when keyboard is connected, not sure about iPhones
amelius 8 hours ago [-]
Apple only tries to satisfy mu +/- 1 sigma of people.
Fnoord 4 hours ago [-]
What I like about the picture is that the user could've plugged in their smartphone on that monitor and then have a decent screen. Now, one may argue I type blind. Then, why does the screen have to be on? Smartphone screen size is meant to be used from hands, not such a distance. Ie. I don't think this setup is ergonomic (eyes, RSI).

Nokia also had a foldable keyboard. Which I've used with Nokia N810 and Nokia E71 (good to compare with their native keyboards with device in hand). I think I brought mine to the bin because the comfort was terrible. The lack of travel and latency, for example (I believe this is better nowadays.) A 60% keyboard can be pretty small, too. With USB2BT+ you can turn any USB device into Bluetooth. Works OK with powerbank (you can DIY that with 18650 batteries).

I wouldn't use a high-end smartphone in China though. I'd bring a burner, and consider any hardware I brought with me compromised.

So perhaps that isn't the place to do digital notes, and just write analog in the most fucked up handwriting you got. If they OCR it, let them have some fun with their models. Of course, that may also mean you cannot apply OCR on ypur notes. But the latest Mistral OCR I tried was very good. As a European, -unfortunately- I'd apply the same rule to USA nowadays though.

shell0x 8 hours ago [-]
I’m planning to take an iPad air on a trip and thought about getting a bluetooth keyboard too.

What do people generally recommend for travel?

I don’t plan to use it for extensive periods of times, mainly writing some emails/docs/notes in the hotel room.

wishfish 5 hours ago [-]
Logitech K480 is my favorite. Its best feature is a slot. Put your iPad in it and it stays put. Even on a lap or bed or other unstable surfaces. And it's only $30. Meaning there's no worry if it breaks or is stolen on a trip.

Another thing I like about it is how wide the slot is. I can fit my iPad and iPhone into it simultaneously. Which is quite convenient at times

bookofjoe 4 hours ago [-]
MarceliusK 8 hours ago [-]
For that use case I'd probably optimize less for "best keyboard" and more for "least annoying thing to pack and set up"
loloquwowndueo 6 hours ago [-]
Logitech k380- small and flat for packability, not too expensive, reasonably good to type on. It’s no mechanical keyboard though.
fuzzfactor 4 hours ago [-]
Look what they have at Walmart now :)

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Macally-Multi-Device-Bluetooth-Ke...

I've got one of these, which has the slot above the "F" keys to support your phone and/or tablet at a good viewing angle. For better or worse the 2 lb. keyboard is heavily weighted so it will support the devices in the slot without tipping over.

And you can switch between 3 devices from the keyboard, which can also include a Bluetooth desktop.

Too heavy to carry around so it stays in the office.

There are plenty of lightweight options for much cheaper prices which can be better for travel, which are also just as big as a tablet but at least not nearly as heavy.

Wait until you get a Bluetooth mouse which can put your touchscreen to shame :)

These mice are also much more abundant for cheaper prices now, when they were not that common just a year or two ago.

Also good for your laptop when you want to save USB slots for other things.

gk-- 6 hours ago [-]
keyboards remain the superior input when compared to basically anything. touch controls will never close the gap, voice control even worse - gimme them keys.
ShinyLeftPad 8 hours ago [-]
Why didn't you take your laptop to China though?
fmajid 8 hours ago [-]
Probably fear of it being rootkitted by the Chinese government
NordStreamYacht 11 hours ago [-]
Logitech k480. I carry it everywhere. Has a three way switch, iPhone, iPad and Mac. Only problem is it interferes with headphones/wifi somehow. Mac cries piteously when the k480 connects.
gblargg 10 hours ago [-]
I also like my K480, and got a couple for friends as well. One failed suddenly, and on opening the flat-flex had just come out of its socket. I like the sturdy rubberized channel for putting phones and tablets in. They hold in securely enough to carry it around the house and not have the tablet falling out.
epakai 10 hours ago [-]
K380 is the non-stand version. It got me into low-profile keyboards. Even spent a while on my desk full time.

Other pluses: rearrangeable keys (dvorak), runs on AAA batteries.

The legends eventually fail, and the keys take a shine.

CraigJPerry 9 hours ago [-]
I’ve had both - the 380 is much lighter to carry around than the 480.

I wouldn't recommend either though, for both, the keys are not nice to type on if you don’t press perfectly downward, if you have any angle other than vertical, the keys occasionally bind a little. This is amplified on the 480 with longer key travel. They’re different types of key mechanisms on both but suffer the same problem.

If you have any kind of case, the 480 stand slot can be harder to use.

tillmannhgl 11 hours ago [-]
> k480

Logitech k480? Oh my god and it even has round keys!

xuhu 8 hours ago [-]
Is there any keyboard with flat keys, no NumPad and full sized square up/down keys, that one can obtain ?
danhau 8 hours ago [-]
What you‘re looking for is called a low-profile TKL (tenkeyless aka. no numpad) keyboard. You might also like a 65%, which removes even more keys but still retains the arrow keys.
amelius 8 hours ago [-]
Thanks, found this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/keyboards/comments/1rvjds0/low_prof...

This one looks great:

https://iqunix.com/products/mq80-aluminum-low-profile-mechan...

Now I only need a tripod to keep my phone at eye height. And a way to run Linux or VNC on my GrapheneOS phone.

loloquwowndueo 6 hours ago [-]
Sounds a lot like my keychron k3 pro.
janvdberg 10 hours ago [-]
Does anybody know the specific keyboard make/model/type? Doesn't look like a foldable from the image?
cl3misch 10 hours ago [-]
OP mentions "Logitech Pop" at the end of the article.
timpera 7 hours ago [-]
I have this specific keyboard, "POP Icon Keys" (not to be confused with "POP Keys"). It's fine. I can confirm that it doesn't fold and is not particularly compact.
brunorsini 11 hours ago [-]
I've always wanted a phone keyboard that folds yet still types reasonably well. Tried a few, hated them all.
anonzzzies 10 hours ago [-]
The MS Universal Foldable KB is the best I tried. Indestructible and still quite easy to get.
amelius 8 hours ago [-]
I suppose that perfect posture of the photo will disappear after a few minutes of use.

Maybe there exists some kind of selfie stick / tripod that allows you to place the phone at eye height?

This is actually a setup I might prefer over using a laptop.

nchmy 6 hours ago [-]
It doesn't even look perfect - rounded shoulders, forward head, not much lumbar curve. Probably all inevitable when you have a tiny keyboard and screen is way too low.

Also, good posture in a chair is nearly impossible to have, let alone maintain. I've started working from the floor and sitting with my feet/legs in a variety of positions - immediate and immense improvement in my posture, overall mobility and reduction in pain.

bookofjoe 4 hours ago [-]
Yes. Middle of ANY screen should be at eye level, including treadmill workspace.
tana_shahh 10 hours ago [-]
All a man need is a keyboard, which is nice to type, makes asmr sound typing!
BLKNSLVR 10 hours ago [-]
And a Clorox wipes container to lean the screen (phone) up against.
Jemm 10 hours ago [-]
I think the title really should be, "Smartphone keyboards are so bad I carry a physical keyboard with me"
elch 9 hours ago [-]
That's not the only reason. On-screen keyboards take up valuable screen space.
kqr 10 hours ago [-]
I think the main complaint is with virtual Qwerty keyboards rather than the idea of virtual keyboards overall. If the KeyBee keyboard had a control key it would be very good. (Well, the fork of it that allows extra-alphabetical custom keys along the top, anyway.)
stavros 9 hours ago [-]
_iPhone_ keyboards. Android is great.
globular-toast 10 hours ago [-]
I used to have long conversations via text. Some friendships existed primarily via text. The move to touch screens destroyed that. It just doesn't work for some reason. Nobody wants to have a long conversation using their phones. I'm not sure if it's due to the keyboard per se. I think it's more because you take the phone with you everywhere rather than sit down specifically to have a conversation. I'm not going to just keep talking forever throughout my day, so without a special time and place, it just stops altogether.
sqbic 7 hours ago [-]
I tasted heaven for a moment with Planet Computer's QWERTY phones. Now that those are gone, I despise text communications with the phones that don't have a real keyboard and just want to avoid it overall.
bookofjoe 4 hours ago [-]
paulnpace 6 hours ago [-]
I've wished for a BlackBerry Bold 9900 form factor Bluetooth messaging device. Cheap and efficient messaging, though one extra thing to lug around.
cess11 7 hours ago [-]
Some of my friends who are really into keyboard nerding look at me funny but I've been on K400 Plus for like half a decade by now. It fits in a bag and costs like 30-40 bucks, and it has touchpad for webshit like Jira that can't be driven through Vimium and other keyboard maneuvers.

I mistreat it heavily, like dust, crumbs, drool and so on, and still I'm on only the second one. It weighs little so it's easy to put in the lap and move around to get some ergonomics for the wrists going even though the touchpad part sticks out on the right hand side.

Can I push four keys at the same time and get something out of it? Probably not, but it's not something I feel like I'm missing out on. I push a key, it sends the bytes, the operating system does what I told it to, that's good enough for me. In case I break it I'll be like 'yeah whatever' and order a new one. It's cheap enough that I could have like four for the price of something cool.

metalman 7 hours ago [-]
Another advantage is that a mistake on a keyboard is only a typo, whereas a fat finger on a touch screen can and will trigger almost anything. In spite of doing EVERYTHING to turn of "gestures", they persist, and my phones screen is an inadvertant landmine game where I always loose. Then there is the total impossibility of turning of the gyros and they overlayed the screen rotate on one edge of the keypad. Presumably this is partialy due to de~guggling the phone, but who knows anymore.
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andyclap2 7 hours ago [-]
My daily driver used to be a FX pro1, and while it had its flaws and couldn't do video out, for emailing, writing and noodling around with code under termux while away from my desk, it was awesome.

I carry a bt keyboard already but it's much less convenient: +1 for someone doing a thought-through compact landscape slider keyboard case for an android phone.

_thisdot 7 hours ago [-]
MrMobile on YouTube has a company that builds keyboard cases. They recently came out with a slide out keyboard case that works for any phone with Magsafe (or the newer Qi equivalent). https://clicks.tech/en/powerkeyboard

Personally, I think we could make touchscreen typing a lot better if we could move away from QWERTY. QWERTY is relatively better than Dvorak or Colemak on a touchscreen device. But we don't see a lot of innovation on the touchscreen keyboard layouts. One project I'm interested in is the Clearflow Keyboard layout (https://clearflowkeyboard.github.io/) which is already available on Gboard on Android. But there seems to be no way to try this out on iOS right now

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