I'm a little confused on the ToS here. From what I gathered, running `claude -p <prompt>` on cron is fine, but putting it in my Telegram bot is a ToS violation (unless I use per-token billing) because it's a 3rd party harness, right? (`claude -p` being a trivial workaround for the "no 3rd party stuff on the subscription" rule)
This Routines feature notably works with the subscription, and it also has API callbacks. So if my Telegram bot calls that API... do I get my Anthropic account nuked or not?
unshavedyak 13 minutes ago [-]
Wait we can't use claude -p around other tools? What is the point of the JSON SDK then? Anthropic is confusing here, ugh.
edit: And specifically i'm making an IDE, and trying to get ClaudeCode into it. I frankly have no clue when Claude usage is simply part of an IDE and "okay" and when it becomes a third party harness..
grafmax 12 minutes ago [-]
They’re shooting themselves in the foot with these dumb restrictions.
You'd think that if they were compute-limited ... Trying to get people to use it less ... The rational thing to do would be to not ship features that will use more compute automatedly? Or does this use extra usage?
whicks 36 minutes ago [-]
I would imagine that this sort of scheduling allows them to have more predictable loads, and they may be hoping that people will schedule some of their tasks in “off hours” to reduce daytime load.
andai 26 minutes ago [-]
It also beats OC's heartbeat where it auto-runs every 30 minutes and runs a bunch of prompts to see if it actually needed to run or not.
pkulak 11 minutes ago [-]
Man, this just bit me too. I started playing with OC over the weekend (in a VM), and the spend was INSANE even though I wasn't doing anything. I don't see this as very useful as an "assistant" that wanders around and anticipates my needs. But I do like the job system, and the ability to make skills, then run them on a schedule or in response to events. But when I looked into what it was doing behind my back, 48 times a day it was packaging up 20K tokens of silly context ("Be a good agent, be helpful, etc, for 30 paragraphs"), shipping it off to the model, and then responding with a single HEARTBEAT_OK.
Luckily you can turn if off pretty easily, but I don't know why it's on by default to begin with. I guess holdover from when people used it with a $20 subscription and didn't care.
ctoth 33 minutes ago [-]
I thought about that but I'm pretty sure that if the backlog is automatically clean and I don't need to run my skill for that when I start up in the morning that just means I can do the next task I would have done which will probably use Claude Code.
Your own, personal, Jevons.
iBelieve 23 minutes ago [-]
Max accounts get 15 daily runs included, any runs above that will get billed as extra usage.
dockerd 11 minutes ago [-]
It's how they can lock more users into their eco-system.
mellosouls 22 minutes ago [-]
Put Claude Code on autopilot. Define routines that run on a schedule, trigger on API calls, or react to GitHub events...
We ought to come up with a term for this new discipline, eg "software engineering" or "programming"
avaer 16 minutes ago [-]
Setting up your agent. This part doesn't deserve a name; there is no programming or engineering or really much thinking involved.
They support much of the same triggers and come with many additional security controls out of the box
gavinray 2 minutes ago [-]
Why have I not heard of this? Was looking for a way to integrate LLM CLI's to do automated feature development + PR submission triggered by Github issues, seems like this would solve it.
This is one of the best features of OpenClaw - makes sense to swipe it into Claude Code directly. I wonder if Anthropic wants to just make claude a full stand-in replacement for openclaw, or just chip away at what they think the best features are, now that oAI has acquired.
mkw5053 24 minutes ago [-]
What are some of the best use cases you've found? I have some gh actions set up to call claude code, but those have already been possible.
netdur 30 minutes ago [-]
didn’t we have several antitrust cases where a vendor used its monopoly to disadvantage rivals? did not anthropic block openclaw?
dmix 25 minutes ago [-]
How is Anthropic a monopoly? The market is barely even fully developed and has multiple large and small competitors
andai 27 minutes ago [-]
It's not blocked, you just can't use the Claude-only subscription endpoint with unauthorized 3rd party software. (You can use it via the regular API (7x more expensive) and pay per token just fine.)
...Except now you sorta-kinda can: now they auto-detect 3rd party stuff and bill you per-token for it?
Given the alleged recent extreme reduction in Claude Code usage limits (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47739260), how do these more autonomous tools work within that constraint? Are they effectively only usable with a 20x Max plan?
EDIT: This comment is apparently [dead] and idk why.
watermelon0 20 minutes ago [-]
Seems like it only supports x86_64. It would be nice if they offered a way to bring your own compute, to be able to work on projects targeting arm64.
airstrike 32 minutes ago [-]
Still no moat.
The reason someone would use this vs. third-party alternatives is still the fact that the $200/mo subscription is markedly cheaper than per-token API billing.
Not sure how this works out in the long term when switching costs are virtually zero.
Nice, could this enable n8n-style workflows that run fully automatically then?
outofpaper 18 minutes ago [-]
Yes but much less efficiently. Having LLMs handle automation is like using a steam engine to heat your bath water. It will work most of the time but it's super inefficient and not really designed for that use and it can go horribly wrong from time to time.
meetingthrower 14 minutes ago [-]
Correct. But the llm can also program you the exact automation you want! Much more efficiently than gui madness with N8N. And if you want observability just program that too!
meetingthrower 15 minutes ago [-]
Already very possible and super easy if you do a little vibecoding. Although it will hit the api. Have a stack polling my email every five minutes, classifying email, taking action based on the types. 30 minute coding session.
desireco42 14 minutes ago [-]
I think they are using Claude to come up with these and they will bringing one every second day... In fact, this is probably routine they set.
ale 34 minutes ago [-]
So MCP servers all over again? I mean at the end of the day this is yet another way of injecting data into a prompt that’s fed to a model and returned back to you.
varispeed 19 minutes ago [-]
Why would you use it if you don't know whether the model will be nerfed at that run?
crooked-v 20 minutes ago [-]
The obvious functionality that seems to be missing here is any way to organize and control these at an organization rather than individual level.
consumer451 12 minutes ago [-]
meta:
Sorry, but I just have to ask. Why is u/minimaxir's comment dead? Is this somehow a bug, an attack, or what?
This is a respected user, with a sane question, no?
I vouched, but not enough.
bpodgursky 41 minutes ago [-]
OpenClawd had about a two week moat...
Feature delivery rate by Anthropic is basically a fast takeoff in miniature. Pushing out multiple features each week that used to take enterprises quarters to deliver.
nightpool 38 minutes ago [-]
Do you mean a 3 months moat? Moltbot started going viral in January. That seems to be about a quarter to deliver to me : )
renticulous 13 minutes ago [-]
Anthropic is trying to be AI version of AWS.
whalesalad 36 minutes ago [-]
Hard to wanna go all-in on the Anthropic ecosystem with how inconsistent model output from their top-tier has been recently. I pay $$$ for api-level opus 4.6 to avoid any low-tier binning or throttling or subversive "its peak rn so we're gonna serve up sonnet in place of opus for the next few hours" but I still find that the quality has been really hit or miss lately.
The bell curve up and then back down has been so jarring that I am pivoting to fully diversifying my use of all models to ensure that no one org has me by the horns.
bpodgursky 34 minutes ago [-]
yeah i mean nobody uses Claude anymore, the utilization is too high
chrisweekly 15 minutes ago [-]
right, like the bar nobody goes to anymore bc it's always too crowded
dbbk 27 minutes ago [-]
And yet none of them work properly and are unstable.
slopinthebag 36 minutes ago [-]
You're delusional if you think these features would take competent programmers quarters to deliver.
buster 2 minutes ago [-]
He said "enterprises" not "competent programmers".
unshavedyak 5 minutes ago [-]
Maybe they were accounting for huge layers of red tape in large orgs. God knows those are far slower than "competent programmers" lol
SadErn 35 minutes ago [-]
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This Routines feature notably works with the subscription, and it also has API callbacks. So if my Telegram bot calls that API... do I get my Anthropic account nuked or not?
edit: And specifically i'm making an IDE, and trying to get ClaudeCode into it. I frankly have no clue when Claude usage is simply part of an IDE and "okay" and when it becomes a third party harness..
Luckily you can turn if off pretty easily, but I don't know why it's on by default to begin with. I guess holdover from when people used it with a $20 subscription and didn't care.
Your own, personal, Jevons.
We ought to come up with a term for this new discipline, eg "software engineering" or "programming"
They support much of the same triggers and come with many additional security controls out of the box
...Except now you sorta-kinda can: now they auto-detect 3rd party stuff and bill you per-token for it?
If I'm reading it right:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47633568
EDIT: This comment is apparently [dead] and idk why.
The reason someone would use this vs. third-party alternatives is still the fact that the $200/mo subscription is markedly cheaper than per-token API billing.
Not sure how this works out in the long term when switching costs are virtually zero.
Sorry, but I just have to ask. Why is u/minimaxir's comment dead? Is this somehow a bug, an attack, or what?
This is a respected user, with a sane question, no?
I vouched, but not enough.
Feature delivery rate by Anthropic is basically a fast takeoff in miniature. Pushing out multiple features each week that used to take enterprises quarters to deliver.
The bell curve up and then back down has been so jarring that I am pivoting to fully diversifying my use of all models to ensure that no one org has me by the horns.