Is this really a thing?!? Blasting the others with unwanted noise.
I never been in a flight, or train across Europe where passengers showed just lack of respect for the others.
The only ones pumping anything loud, on trains or busses, usually get quickly pointed down by other passengers, personal or security.
Ah, and then there are the rebellious kids or gangs, as the other exception, which usually don't take flights anyway.
NikolaNovak 1 hours ago [-]
I am astonished how many people now use speakerphone as their default interaction. On subway, go train, in grocery stores, on the streets, sometimes even in the office, they blast their conversations with zero care.
And so yes, I've definitely seen and experienced people watching inane tiktoks on speaker in subway or bus or airplane. It's the epitome of complete lack of empathy or self awareness to me, but I guess that's the way culture is going.
dataflow 10 minutes ago [-]
I've seen it everywhere except airplanes. I don't recall ever seeing it on planes. How often have you seen that? Do passengers or flight attendants do anything? How does the person respond?
cromulent 23 seconds ago [-]
I had it happen to me, on a long-haul flight, in business class. I was shocked. I stood up to look at the guy after no-one did anything.
I told him that phone speakers "make me gassy" and then he turned it off.
lostlogin 1 hours ago [-]
Phone makers deleted the speaker is the ‘courage’ I want.
fhdkweig 52 minutes ago [-]
There are times you need speaker-phone mode. My parents almost always turn on speaker-phone when they call me because they both want to be part of the conversation. I don't think they will ever take a plane or a bus trip in their lives so their speaker-phone isn't going to hurt anyone.
echelon 27 minutes ago [-]
I need speakerphone when I'm home alone and attempting to be on a phone call while doing other things. Some of those calls are even about instructing me to look for something, so it necessitates me to be moving about. Speakerphone is an incredibly useful utility.
Don't take functionality away because of a few bad actors. That'd be like getting rid of drones because a few people are assholes.
Put rules in place to correct the bad behavior. Kicking them off planes seems fair.
mikkupikku 2 hours ago [-]
In America, a small number of people derive pleasure from being disruptive to everybody, and blasting music on public transit with captive audiences is a very "traditional" way of fucking with people and expressing your broad contempt for their society. I'd estimate that maybe one in five times you get on a city bus in America, you'll encounter somebody like this.
Very rarely does anybody call them out or otherwise try to reign it in, because you're as likely as not to be physically attacked and in America, the odds of bystanders coming to your rescue are... Not zero, but not great.
andy99 2 hours ago [-]
Pretty sure on planes this is more ignorance than malice. It’s self absorbed people that are too selfish to consider someone else might not want to hear what they’re watching, rather than some deliberate anti society thing.
Regardless, no punishment is too harsh, this should be considered the equivalent of lighting up a cigarette on a plane.
sowbug 1 hours ago [-]
Another angle is kids who have been given a tablet as a pacifier. Their parents are often on autopilot, having checked out months or years earlier.
I'm not a fan of the tablet as a pacifier approach but it's not my business. What is my business is when the parents do so without providing a way for the child to indulge without annoying everybody else. I consider that to be absolutely unacceptable in that if they can afford a tablet they can afford cheap headphones.
mothballed 48 minutes ago [-]
When young children are on airplanes you cheat in whatever way you can.
jghn 27 minutes ago [-]
Perhaps people can cheat while still giving them headphones or turning devices on silent mode?
zeroonetwothree 32 minutes ago [-]
Tell me you don’t have kids without telling me you don’t have kids
Aurornis 15 minutes ago [-]
I’ve brought a tablet on airplanes to watch movies with kids on long flights, but we bring headphones. Flights are the only time we do this.
There is nothing about a tablet or a flight that requires letting them blast audio at full volume. It’s not even a good experience.
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dataflow 9 minutes ago [-]
> no punishment is too harsh, this should be considered the equivalent of lighting up a cigarette on a plane.
Okay this is ridiculous. One is a fire hazard and the other is not. Do you really need the hyperbole here?
e40 2 hours ago [-]
The idea someone doesn’t know they bothering everyone around them is absurd. It is 100% malice.
andy99 1 hours ago [-]
I don’t know if anyone remembers the movie Inside Man where at the beginning they are waiting in line at the bank and the woman is having a loud conversation on her phone and the guard comes and tells here to keep it down. It’s this kind of person that I see not using speakers (when the movie was made I don’t think they contemplated humanity could sink that low), at best it’s entitlement, but I still think in most cases it boils down to not thinking about others vs actively trying to annoy them.
Sharlin 36 minutes ago [-]
Hanlon's razor applies. Yes, some people have a bad case of the main character syndrome simply because nobody has ever called them out on it.
mothballed 31 minutes ago [-]
Usually they have been called out on it a time or two. They are often signaling that if you want to stop them, you'll have to use violence, and look -- no one or almost no one is willing to do that.
There are a couple of us who have actually seen someone call them out that are warning folks here what commonly happens. I saw someone get attacked with a knife, another commenter here had a gun pulled on him when they asked them to stop. It isn't about the loud music itself, it's that they're openly saying they are king shit, that no one is willing to challenge them, and broadcasting their eagerness to deliver violence upon anyone that might.
The other side of this is that they often do it on places you can't easily escape, like a train car with stops only every 5 minutes. This gives them a very long time to go to town on anyone that might challenges them. Something I've seen with my own eyes when they were asked to tone down the music.
andy99 2 minutes ago [-]
> I saw someone get attacked with a knife, another commenter here had a gun pulled on him
I though the discussion here was about people not using their headphones on airplanes.
jghn 23 minutes ago [-]
> They are often signaling that if you want to stop them, you'll have to use violence
I'm well aware of the types you're talking about, but in my experience this has largely changed. It used to be that these sorts were the most common offenders. But now it's just, well, everyone and anyone. For instance I don't think the little, old lady in front of me on the bus the other day was challenging people to violence.
Sharlin 12 minutes ago [-]
I think we're talking about two different groups of people. The ones I mean don't look dangerous, just self-absorbed. The ones you mean I don't have much experience of, they're not common around here.
y1n0 1 hours ago [-]
I’m sure it is, much of the time. But I also believe many people are just completely self absorbed and devoid of empathy.
plagiarist 59 minutes ago [-]
I am self-absorbed and devoid of empathy but it is still easy to logically deduce that other people don't want to hear my games, videos, or phone calls.
bluefirebrand 11 minutes ago [-]
Being devoid of empathy would mean you may realize that people don't want to hear your shit, but you wouldn't care what other people want
Fezzik 1 hours ago [-]
A lot of people don’t get a lot of things; you know the adage about stupidity being a more likely cause than malice. Just last week I had to explain to a grown adult why spitting on the sauna floor was disgusting and rude to the other gym members. He was shocked.
charcircuit 51 minutes ago [-]
I experienced this in real life and this creature was unable to understand the bus driver telling her to stop. It's like they didn't understand English nor social signals. To me it seemed to stem from a lack of intelligence than from intentionally being malicious.
pessimizer 21 minutes ago [-]
They understand English. They just don't want to stop doing what they want to do. This is a quality that they share with everyone else on the planet by definition, but they think they're more important than other people.
There are angry people playing dominance games on one hand, and on the other people who simply don't care what anybody else wants and will do what they can get away with. There's no difference in intelligence between the two, but only the first type can actually be reasoned with. The second type will only pretend to be reasonable until the person that they're intimidated by leaves the room.
Everybody says "social cues," but as you said, the people who "don't get social cues" also don't seem to "get" direct requests or orders.
dymk 1 hours ago [-]
It's apathy
pstuart 1 hours ago [-]
Sorry to disagree -- stupidity and self-centeredness have a plan in that too.
wanderingstan 1 hours ago [-]
My go-to technique has been to offer the offender a pair of headphones, saying something to insinuate that they must forgotten theirs or be too poor to afford them. Most of the time they say “oh I have headphones!” and then realize that they’ve outed themselves. (I stockpile the free headphones from gyms or airplanes, or get the $2 ones from AliExpress)
oidar 46 minutes ago [-]
Bluetooth headphones too?
This is actually a really good response though. Because the act of having a device blaring demonstrates contempt for everyone one around them. It's hard to act in a hateful way to someone who just offered you something for free.
boxedemp 17 minutes ago [-]
Big "Kill them with kindness" energy.
hallole 2 hours ago [-]
I don't think I'd have the wherewithal to jump in and do something if I were a bystander. I'm not the sort to throw hands, I don't carry, and these disruptive types are already a bit feral.
I'm not sure it's contempt they're expressing, or if they're expressing anything at all. There really are people who enjoy and defend it, too; "it's just a guy playing music, mind your own business." Truly alien.
AnimalMuppet 2 hours ago [-]
My business includes my ears. If you don't want me in your business, keep your business to your ears.
standardUser 1 hours ago [-]
I've found that looking the person in the eye and giving a quick "hey, forget your headphones?" sometimes does the trick, and has yet to start a fight. Everyone has to act in ways they are comfortable with - but mass inaction is what creates space for this shitty behavior in the first place.
dymk 1 hours ago [-]
I did this on a bus and had a gun pulled on me, so your mileage may vary
mothballed 55 minutes ago [-]
Yes exactly. If they are blasting ethnic music while in an ethnic hood it is usually because they are repping their hood, and sometimes in a way to intentionally bait someone to say something. If you ask them to stop they will pretend it is a challenge on their hood/race (no matter that they will play it so loud everyone's ears are splitting and all they want is not to get hearing damage). I watched a guy pull out a knife and start slashing as soon as he was asked to stop.
If you ask such person to stop it is implied they expect you to back that up with violence and you've already consented to a battle.
balamatom 20 minutes ago [-]
>you've already consented to a battle.
More like you've already admitted cowardice, which makes you fair game. If it's the music that upsets you, come at me with louder speakers!
CalRobert 2 hours ago [-]
Happens elsewhere too. Can be an issue in Dutch trains
boxedemp 17 minutes ago [-]
Happens in Canada too. Calling them out can be dangerous, people have been injured.
LaurensBER 2 hours ago [-]
20%? That's a bit insane. This does happen in Europe but is heavily looked down up on and usually quickly corrected.
On the other hand I did get a chewing out from an older guy for having a conversation with friends on a train once, so some people take it perhaps a bit too serious.
keiferski 2 hours ago [-]
It’s very much a thing on US public transit, with the added negative bonus that no one ever confronts the person doing it, because chances are they’re either crazy, armed, or both.
striking 1 hours ago [-]
Sure, but also you might be on a city bus for... half an hour? It's not pleasant to have someone blast noise but it's nothing like a multi-hour flight. Why bother?
baal80spam 47 minutes ago [-]
I can guarantee you that's not only America's problem.
mothballed 1 hours ago [-]
On something like public transit it's often a way of repping your ethnicity/hood. I've been caught in the middle of a knife fight on a California public train car because a guy was blasting Hispanic music intentionally as loud as he could while staring everyone down. Extremely painful (as in ear damaging loud) for everyone, but I didn't say anything because I knew exactly what bait he was laying.
The train car entered a black neighborhood, then a black guy informed him it was his hood and he better knock that shit off. Latino guy immediately pulled out a knife and started swinging.
johnfn 1 hours ago [-]
I mean, you are painting it as some moralistic judgement, but if you’re asking me for on one hand listening to some annoying music, and on the other hand having some chance (however slight) of bodily injury, knife wound, or whatever… I know which one I am going to choose.
kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 1 hours ago [-]
> and in America, the odds of bystanders coming to your rescue are... Not zero, but not great
Yes, because there's been a recent push to more heavily punish good Samaritans than perpetrators. When good men get metaphorically crucified for helping, they stop helping.
If that seems like a common sense outcome of such policies, you're right. But as we've seen time and again, common sense is not a flower that grows in everyone's garden.
JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago [-]
I’ve absolutely seen this nonsense in the UK.
mikkupikku 2 hours ago [-]
Doesn't surprise me, but I'm only speaking from my experience in America.
gib444 2 hours ago [-]
Yup. Eg guys getting on Thameslink services in south London, walking right up to the area behind the driver's cab and and start creating a disturbance. Driver stops the train and has a go at them if he's feeling in the mood...
slg 2 hours ago [-]
>is a very "traditional" way of fucking with people and expressing your broad contempt for their society.
Motivated in large part as a response to society saying fuck them. I'm not defending assholes being assholes, but I think what we have been seeing in the US over the last 5 or 10 years is classic collapse of the social contract stuff. The less a society cares about its people the less its people will care about the rest of society.
mikkupikku 2 hours ago [-]
I get what you're saying, but blasting music on buses has been a thing since boom-boxes were invented, it's nothing new. I am also not inclined to blame systems instead of individuals because most people with the same background of injustice will choose to respond to that injustice by being better than it. It's only a very small number of people being disruptive like this, while the number of people with fair and understandable grievances against society is massive.
3eb7988a1663 1 hours ago [-]
It was referenced in the 1986 Star Trek movie -Spock incapacitates a guy after he refuses to turn down his stereo.
>I get what you're saying, but blasting music on buses has been a thing since boom-boxes were invented, it's nothing new.
Yes, because people have always felt like outsiders in relation to society. My point was that this sort of public misbehaving is getting worse because social cohesion is getting even worse. Not everyone with grievances against society will respond this way, but as more people have grievances against society, more people will respond in a manner like this.
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balderdash 1 hours ago [-]
It is - there are three groups of people that do this generally the completely self absorbed, people from places where it’s culturally acceptable, and people that like the feeling of empowerment that comes from a inconveniencing others (the same people that will walk out into traffic with no light / crosswalk)
callamdelaney 1 hours ago [-]
How is walking over a road without a light inconveniencing anyone? I’ll cross the road when it’s clear. I don’t blast music in public places though.
JumpCrisscross 1 hours ago [-]
> How is walking over a road without a light inconveniencing anyone?
They said “walk out into traffic.” That’s rude. You should wait for a signal or a break in the flow so nobody has to brake for you.
Aurornis 9 minutes ago [-]
Walking into traffic in an undesignated crossing is rude (and illegal). Likewise with trying to cross at an intersection when traffic has the green light.
But when there’s a designated crossing area, it’s the responsibility of traffic to stop. Pedestrians should not stand and wait at the intersection for a break in traffic because it’s a confusing signal to drivers. If you’re standing at a designated crosswalk you need to be either signaling your intent to cross or moving away from the crosswalk
lesuorac 1 hours ago [-]
Getting pedantic now but depending on the circumstances the traffic is supposed to have stopped for you.
Assuming there is no paint on the road an (unmarked) crosswalk may still exist [1] and drivers are supposed to yield to a pedestrian in a marked or unmarked crosswalk [2].
Getting more pedantic, less than 1pct of the population is in California.
Pretty clear parent meant people who cross against the light / mid-block when there is a crossing 50ft away / stepping in front of the one car on the road when they could look up for one second and step out behind that car etc. in other words the people who put off 'main character' vibes.
smohare 32 minutes ago [-]
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sheiyei 52 minutes ago [-]
Getting pedantic here, "no light / crosswalk" means no crosswalk, painted or not.
zeroonetwothree 33 minutes ago [-]
I never see this being an issue. On the other hand I often see cars blast by stop signs without stopping or ignore marked crosswalks with passengers inside.
No wonder pedestrian deaths are up so much the past few years
Spooky23 55 minutes ago [-]
It’s going over your head. He’s talking about certain people.
schrodinger 52 minutes ago [-]
Depending on where you live it may not really be relatable to you, but living in NYC -- there are people that will intentionally jay walk on a green light and even _stare you down_ knowing that you will stop and let them pass.
People jay walk when there's no traffic all the time, that's totally fine. This is a totally different act of passive aggression.
koolba 36 minutes ago [-]
> Depending on where you live it may not really be relatable to you, but living in NYC -- there are people that will intentionally jay walk on a green light and even _stare you down_ knowing that you will stop and let them pass.
This is the speed walking equivalent of picking up pennies in front of a steam roller. Saves a min here and then until you pay for it big time.
smohare 37 minutes ago [-]
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Aurornis 12 minutes ago [-]
> I never been in a flight, or train across Europe where passengers showed just lack of respect for the others.
In my European travels I’ve definitely seen it. It depends entirely on the region. Europe is a big place. I’ve encountered it in Asian countries too. Again, Asia is huge and diverse.
Not coincidentally, it’s the same in the United States. I’ve never seen this on the local commuter train with people traveling to and from work. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen it on a flight (flight attendants did intervene and request they stop).
Let’s not try to make this into another “America bad” topic because this is not a uniquely American problem.
jraines 53 minutes ago [-]
Last time I flew my family was very early to the gate; it was me, my wife, my 5 and 3 year old girls, and a very elderly lady in a wheelchair who was blasting Kendrick Lamar’s “Not Like Us” from her phone speakers.
maccard 41 minutes ago [-]
I was on a 2 hour flight this week. The guy in front of me listened to a political podcast on speaker that was loud enough it cut through my noise cancelling earbuds. There was absolutely no chance I was risking my safety calling him out on it in that scenario.
> usually get quickly pointed down by other passengers, personnel or security
I’ve never, not once, heard a member of staff ask someone to use headphones on transport.
Findecanor 2 hours ago [-]
I've experienced it all over Europe. Trains with reserved seats tend to have a separate "silent car" for this reason.
Aurornis 8 minutes ago [-]
Agree. It’s funny to see comments trying to act like this never happens in Europe, only America.
arikrahman 18 minutes ago [-]
I am already embarassed when my headphone jack slips and everyone can hear a targeted ad putting me on blast. To do so intentionally never occured to me. It would be mortifying.
nslsm 2 hours ago [-]
That's because in Europe certain demographics don't catch many planes or trains. But they do catch the tube or the bus, so get on one of those and enjoy the experience.
DaSHacka 1 hours ago [-]
Lol was wondering how long I would have to scroll before someone pointed out the obvious. People talking about the "collapse of the societal contract", like I wonder how that happened....
verall 2 hours ago [-]
From what I can tell, if no rule is enforced, about 2-5% of people think it's totally normal to scroll tiktok or instagram at full volume in public.
So on a crowded bus you've normally got 1 or 2. Behavior is actually much better on airplanes, usually (maybe 1-2 in ~150 passenger plane), and I have never seen someone who did not silence their phone after being asked politely by the attendant.
halapro 1 hours ago [-]
It's a thing everywhere except very well-behaved places/countries. This means it's almost everywhere.
The last time I had an uncle blast his Doujin feed at full volume next to me, I suggested he lower the volume, he didn't care, so I blasted my own feed at louder volume. He got it then. Sadly people a few rows back did the same on the next train...
jghn 29 minutes ago [-]
I can't remember the last time I've been on a flight, train, or bus where there wasn't at least one person playing audio of some sort without headphones.
cjbgkagh 1 hours ago [-]
Very much a thing and one of the many reasons I'm becoming more of a recluse, shared public spaces are becoming rather unpleasant. Mostly in the US and LatAm, a fair amount in the UK, not so much in Germany.
plagiarist 42 minutes ago [-]
There are fewer and fewer shared public spaces every year anyway. It feels like everything is getting taken over by franchises that want to maximize customer throughput.
tombert 24 minutes ago [-]
On planes I've mostly seen it with people playing stuff for very young children.
I've heard a lot of Cocomelon crap at full volume on planes because I guess parents don't want to have their kids use headphones. I sort of understand it but at the same time I also think it's pretty inconsiderate for the rest of the people on the flight who likely do not want to listen to their kid's awful YouTube show.
In the NYC subway I've seen dozens of people who will blast their terrible music very loudly with a bluetooth speaker. These are full-grown adults. I don't know why they do that, I suspect it would sound better on the train with headphones. Maybe it's some form of evangelism, where they think the music is utterly fantastic that everyone should listen to it.
_se 22 minutes ago [-]
Usually it's because the kid won't wear headphones. Not really an excuse, but a lot of the time the kid is just going to do what they want. What the parents should do in that situation is make them watch without sound, but that's harder than the alternative, so they just do whatever.
tombert 16 minutes ago [-]
Or the parent should just take the phone away! If the kid won't listen to it quietly then they should do that thing that I believe is called "parenting". Bring a picture book or something for them if they need to be entertained without the phone.
This was done by my parents when I was a young kid. I wouldn't turn the volume down on my Game Boy on a flight, so my parents took it away from me until I promised to keep the volume down, which I did after that.
wolfi1 1 hours ago [-]
it's usually some guy on the neighbouring table at McDonald's
gspr 2 hours ago [-]
I've definitely experienced this on public transit in cities in several different countries here in Europe. It's not an everyday experience, but it definitely happens.
pjmlp 2 hours ago [-]
Yes, but that isn't a flight.
gspr 30 minutes ago [-]
But you said people on busses and trains doing this get shut down. My experience is they don't.
bluecalm 1 hours ago [-]
My experience is the opposite. People blast music or other sounds on flights all the time.
In Europe it's also very common to smoke in public, including beaches, restaurants, areas around building entrances. Literring is also very common.
Even Switzerland is dirty because cigarette buts are everywhere. It's just that some % of the population are inconsiderate assholes and only heavy enforcement works vs than. Unfortunately this is something our current society is not willing to do.
Hamuko 1 hours ago [-]
Local trains are full of them.
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general1465 6 minutes ago [-]
On one hand I understand why this exists, but on the other hand, I don't think it is even necessary. There is so much noise during the flight, and combined with lower atmospheric pressure I can barely hear what steward standing next to me is saying.
osti 2 hours ago [-]
During flights? Sounds a bit harsh.
cobbzilla 2 hours ago [-]
Have you ever tried to sleep while the person next to you watches a movie at full volume?
furyofantares 2 hours ago [-]
Yeah, it sucks. I agree with you, they should be brutally murdered.
nxpnsv 2 hours ago [-]
That's too harsh, a regular murder would suffice.
sharkweek 2 hours ago [-]
Just put them in row 24 on a Boeing 737 max and let the problem take care of itself.
halapro 1 hours ago [-]
Just open the window
lostlogin 1 hours ago [-]
Boeing tried this new feature.
halapro 1 hours ago [-]
Not a bug, works as intended.
lelanthran 2 hours ago [-]
> That's too harsh, a regular murder would suffice.
Correct. Kicking someone off during a flight and not giving them a parachute counts as a regular murder...
verdverm 1 hours ago [-]
Requisite link to satirical study
"Parachute use to prevent death and major trauma when jumping from aircraft: randomized controlled trial"
Now explain why it wouldn’t also be fair to kick people off that were loudly emitting disgusting flatulence. Is it because they “might” not have control over it? Can I not claim I also “might” not have the control over my impulsive desire to listen to music or that I can’t use headphones for a medical issue?
I mean such a thing I would say equally detracts from the flying experience, so why not also kick those people off?
Edit: not sure why I’m getting downvoted, this is a legitimate question. I genuinely want to hear the justification.
DaSHacka 1 hours ago [-]
You'd have a more convincing argument if you argued for a passenger with Tourette's or something. Bodily functions are obviously different from watching a movie at full volume, because there's never a situation where you would be involuntarily blasting the audio of your show or whatever to the whole plane.
SOLAR_FIELDS 57 minutes ago [-]
Okay, Tourette’s then. Should we kick people off for Tourette’s?
Your comment also presupposes two things: that flatulence is always involuntary and blasting music isn’t. Let’s say I have a form of Tourette’s that forces me to involuntarily blast noise and music and I have medical papers to prove it. Is it okay then?
I would absolutely support it if you could demonstrate that those two things are actually true. My point is: Who gets to decide what’s legitimately an involuntary medical issue and what isn’t, and where is the line that demarcates it? And what is the point of this exercise? It’s to prevent people from forcing everyone else to have a worse experience for their own personal gain, which flatulence is a form of that you could argue, so why is blasting music fundamentally different?
recursive 35 minutes ago [-]
We're talking about music coming from a phone. Not a person. Just turn the phone off or uninstall tiktok. Or put it in your bag.
vel0city 17 minutes ago [-]
Are you seriously making the argument blasting music or a movie or whatever is an involuntary bodily function?
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throwaway894345 2 hours ago [-]
Seems like this flew right over a few heads.
widowlark 2 hours ago [-]
and yet the joke fell right into our laps
sebastiennight 2 hours ago [-]
United says we should tone down the sarcasm
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chisel192 2 hours ago [-]
> During flights? Sounds a bit harsh.
Sounds harsh to you.
Let the market decide.
Vote with your wallet and fly a different airline.
saint11 2 hours ago [-]
But kicking someone off mid-flight at high altitude is still a bit harsh. I hope they give them parachutes at least.
dguest 1 hours ago [-]
FUN FACT: Aviation rules require that any plane carrying a parachute must have at least one for every person on board. Hopefully the reason is obvious.
Now given that, do you really want to pay the extra cost of flying with 300 parachutes just so mr-full-volume-phone can have one?
3eb7988a1663 13 minutes ago [-]
That is an incredibly fun fact. Does this only apply to commercial or also a little Cessna? Presumably there is no actual enforcement on the private planes.
jjmarr 43 minutes ago [-]
I've packed my own parachute for this hypothetical situation.
HPsquared 2 hours ago [-]
Only if they paid extra at check-in.
doubled112 2 hours ago [-]
And you specifically have to request it. It isn’t a normal option during purchase.
vel0city 12 minutes ago [-]
Nah, with how ticketing is these days they'll bug you a dozen times to choose between the $50 basic economy disaster package that only has the mask and 50% airflow or the full package for $100 that includes another 25% airflow and a flotation device. Business execute gets you the parachute, a private life raft, and a few days of MREs for $250.
gumby271 2 hours ago [-]
Bet it won't happen twice though.
MPSimmons 2 hours ago [-]
> give them parachutes at least
the first time
andrewflnr 2 hours ago [-]
I'm going to vote with my wallet by moving United up my priority list.
integralid 2 hours ago [-]
Either you missed the joke or I missed your sarcasm. I read GP as a joke: being literally kicked out of a flight in air is a death sentence, which is a bit harsh penalty indeed.
I want to echo the top comment in that post. Apple removing the headphone jack from iPhones was absolutely criminal.
lucasay 19 minutes ago [-]
Feels less like malice and more like people just not thinking about others. Still, on a plane you’re stuck for hours—rules like this make sense.
latand6 15 minutes ago [-]
I was a passenger that was asked NOT to use the headphones regularly. Not from USA though
raggi 2 hours ago [-]
Ok, but how about kicking sick people off of flights, particularly trans continental?
INTPenis 1 hours ago [-]
I'm behind this 100%.
I got a SARS virus flying to Udon Thani in 2019. We were seated next to two thai guys who were so sick they could barely sit up straight. We offered them help and treats because they looked like they were about to vomit.
Plane lands, next day I'm sick. I was laid up for 2 weeks with fever, the shits, and I had a weird spontaneous cough for over 1 month after I got better.
I bet most of that plane got sick, and it was so damn avoidable.
IncreasePosts 47 minutes ago [-]
The problem is there can he huge penalties for not flying when you booked. You might not be able to rebook your flight or hotel or days off so you're stuck either getting everyone sick or perhaps being out thousands of dollars or not going on vacation at all.
tayo42 5 minutes ago [-]
What's the threshold for sick?
It'll never happen becasue everything around travel is to hard to reschedule.
JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago [-]
> how about kicking sick people off of flights
Difficult for the airline to do given the myriad of health privacy adjacents.
sebastiennight 2 hours ago [-]
What if we asked the President to give us a quick rundown of each passenger's health?
mikkupikku 2 hours ago [-]
At cruising altitude, I hope.
HPsquared 2 hours ago [-]
I assume it's about blasting others with noise, not company sponsored headphones.
mindslight 1 hours ago [-]
A disinforming clickbait headline strikes again. This isn't about it being mandatory to use headphones, ala TNG "The Game". Rather it's about using speakers that broadcast sound for everyone to "enjoy". I haven't been molested and crushed^w^w^w^wflown in quite some time, but with the noise floor on airplanes being so high to begin with I'd imagine the result is much worse than somewhere that is at least quieter to start.
hxorr 56 minutes ago [-]
This sounds like a USA problem..
zeroonetwothree 29 minutes ago [-]
I have definitely seen people use speakers in countries other than the USA.
penguin_booze 41 minutes ago [-]
1 of n problems.
temporallobe 2 hours ago [-]
Good.
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SilverElfin 2 hours ago [-]
We need to also ban people taking calls on speaker in public places like cafes or trains.
lagniappe 2 hours ago [-]
Join the conversation, works every time.
Hamuko 1 hours ago [-]
I've thought about doing that several times, seeing as they're already including me. Just need to become a bit more brazen of a person.
lokar 2 hours ago [-]
You should be able to report them to apple and google, lifetime smart phone ban.
irishcoffee 2 hours ago [-]
I don’t think United airlines has the authority to do that.
That is to say, do you really want a federal law passed about this? I vote we go with social shaming. Worked for cigarettes.
mikkupikku 2 hours ago [-]
It didn't really work well with cigs until govs started banning smoking in restaurants, bars, etc. That said, the shaming was important for setting the social stage for such legal bans.
balderdash 1 hours ago [-]
Of course they do - they modified their contract of carriage - which you basically agree to why buy a flight (https://www.united.com/en/us/fly/contract-of-carriage.html) it’s the same mechanism they use to deny you boarding if you are barefoot etc.
irishcoffee 14 minutes ago [-]
Sorry friend, I sarcastically was saying united cannot enforce their rules in cafes et. al.
bigstrat2003 2 hours ago [-]
I don't really want that. But I do sometimes fantasize about revoking some people's ability to use speakerphone or reply-all.
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SilverElfin 2 hours ago [-]
Shaming doesn’t always work. I’ve asked politely and been threatened in return by people that look dangerous. That made me want to avoid confrontation in the future.
keiferski 2 hours ago [-]
I first interpreted the title as meaning you must use the cheapo free headphones and aren’t allowed to use your own.
They should be stripped of all citizenship and left to live out their life roaming the airport. But this is a start.
paxys 2 hours ago [-]
Good, now do the same for public transit.
dmitrygr 2 hours ago [-]
Yes! Now do the same on beaches, busses, streets. Same punishment: banishment from the area.
OptionOfT 24 minutes ago [-]
And on hiking trails.
I was hiking in Zion. Large sign: be quiet, owls are nesting.
Multiple people with those speakers hanging off of their backpack: we don't care.
And even the rangers don't feel empowered to say anything anymore.
JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago [-]
> beaches, busses, streets
Bus, sure. On beaches and streets you have the option of moving away. It’s obnoxious. But in the same category as a large group walking slowly.
7jjjjjjj 3 minutes ago [-]
Playing music on the street is acceptable if and only if the music is good.
SilverElfin 2 hours ago [-]
I often see younger people in parks near me blasting loud music on speakers. It’s so disrespectful to those looking for a peaceful place. Especially when they’re playing explicit rap music with everyone’s families and children around.
wolvoleo 2 hours ago [-]
Yeah or people on bikes with a boombox. They do it because it's illegal to cycle with earphones in in these parts. But it creates its own problem of course.
mikkupikku 2 hours ago [-]
I wonder if shoulder mounted speakers that aren't touching the users ears could help resolve this to everybody's reasonable satisfaction. (That is, everybody who's not deliberately trying to broadcast their music to everybody else.)
JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago [-]
> It’s so disrespectful to those looking for a peaceful place
Idk, they’re not looking for “a peaceful place” and are using a public space without damaging it. Nobody is forced to use the park at the same time as them. This seems like a difference in preferences which is fine.
which 1 hours ago [-]
That same line of reasoning could apply to music on planes. No one really needs to use a particular airline at a particular time or use a public park at any given time. It ceases to be a public place if a small group of people can de facto monopolize it by making it unpleasant for most other people to be there.
James Q. Wilson talked about this problem a long time ago... and why standard neighborhood shaming cannot really police it. Maybe there is an increasingly different set of norms among different generations which is why you have a breakdown in manners and even high school kids from affluent areas hitting "devious licks."
Because the sanctions employed are subtle, informal, and delicate, not everyone is equally vulnerable to everyone else’s discipline. Furthermore, if there is not a generally shared agreement as to appropriate standards of conduct, these sanctions will be inadequate to correct such deviations as occur. A slight departure from a norm is set right by a casual remark; a commitment to a different norm is very hard to alter, unless, of course, the deviant party is “eager to fit in,” in which case he is not committed to the different norm at all but simply looking for signs as to what the preferred norms may be.
JumpCrisscross 1 hours ago [-]
> same line of reasoning could apply to music on planes
You can’t leave a plane. And planes aren’t for recreation. I like quiet parks. But parks aren’t some natural creation, they’re entirely manmade. I’m okay with other people having different thoughts on how to recreate.
> Maybe there is an increasingly different set of norms among different generations
Older people have been complaining about kids with boomboxes and skateboards for generations.
isthatafact 26 minutes ago [-]
> "But parks aren’t some natural creation, they’re entirely manmade."
? That does not at all match my experience with parks.
But besides that, I am not sure how it would support your argument.
which 33 minutes ago [-]
The average park in America is only like 5-10 acres. And of that only certain areas may have playstructures / basketball courts / benches / other things that people can actually use. So sufficiently loud audio can ruin people's experience. It's obvious to anyone who's been outside in the past 10 years that "live and let live" doesn't work... if they were using heroin and nodding out would that just be another form of recreation?
Yes, and the crime spike of the 1960s started with boomers reaching 15-20. You can follow that to cookie monster pajamas in Walmart.
kstrauser 1 hours ago [-]
One person playing loud music makes the park less enjoyable for thirty people around them. That’s not “preferences”, when their method of consuming the public space affects the way everyone around them experiences it.
leptons 1 hours ago [-]
There are typically noise rules at most parks where I live. The people who "blast loud music" are breaking the rules, and annoying everyone else at the park. That's not cool, and they should get kicked out if they don't comply.
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izzydata 2 hours ago [-]
I was recently in Hawaii in the middle of the forest and this group nearby on the trail were blasting music from a bluetooth speaker. Whether it is compelte lack of self awareness or utter disregard for other people it is just disturbing behavior.
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austin-cheney 2 hours ago [-]
I agree with the policy but this is such a mild offense. Just a few years ago in the US there was an epidemic of drunk people savagely beating flight attendants.
People who cannot figure out how to share use of shared space should lose access to those places.
halapro 1 hours ago [-]
Yes and no. I don't want to be a Karen, but also I think it's fair to not cause discomfort to others. Imagine if every flight was as noisy a city intersection. For 5 hours. And you can't hide.
ashwinnair99 2 hours ago [-]
Airlines have been quietly expanding what they can remove you for. This isn't really about headphones. It's about how much discretion crew have now and how little recourse you have at 35,000 feet.
lelanthran 1 hours ago [-]
Look... if me and 199 other passengers are going to abide by restrictions we were informed about before we paid any money for a ticket, it's completely unfair that the authorities make an exception for one passenger who accepted the same contract we all did.
Arrest them on board, handcuff them and lead them away in handcuffs at the destination. No sympathy from me, especially since the only way the handcuffs route is going to happen is if the passenger in questions ignores the instructions from the flight crew.
I also have to note that on most flights, whether domestic or international, the it's already a criminal offence to ignore an instruction from the flight crew. The airline here did not need to make publish a new rule, they could have simply had the flight crew inform the annoying passenger.
0x3f 2 hours ago [-]
The airlines could alway remove you for literally any reason. Even if it was discriminatory or otherwise illegal, you'd still definitely be getting off the plane, at least.
standardUser 1 hours ago [-]
The ones with limited recourse are the flight crew who are trapped with you and a hundred other asshole for hours with no escape and very limited options in case of a serious disruption. If there is one space that has justification to act as temporary dictatorship, it's an aircraft in flight.
leptons 2 hours ago [-]
You might blame the airlines, but passengers have become more rude and entitled year after year. It's really everywhere now, not just on airplanes. I personally am fine with removing passengers who think they are entitled to annoy the rest of us when we can't just get up and leave the place.
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I never been in a flight, or train across Europe where passengers showed just lack of respect for the others.
The only ones pumping anything loud, on trains or busses, usually get quickly pointed down by other passengers, personal or security.
Ah, and then there are the rebellious kids or gangs, as the other exception, which usually don't take flights anyway.
And so yes, I've definitely seen and experienced people watching inane tiktoks on speaker in subway or bus or airplane. It's the epitome of complete lack of empathy or self awareness to me, but I guess that's the way culture is going.
I told him that phone speakers "make me gassy" and then he turned it off.
Don't take functionality away because of a few bad actors. That'd be like getting rid of drones because a few people are assholes.
Put rules in place to correct the bad behavior. Kicking them off planes seems fair.
Very rarely does anybody call them out or otherwise try to reign it in, because you're as likely as not to be physically attacked and in America, the odds of bystanders coming to your rescue are... Not zero, but not great.
Regardless, no punishment is too harsh, this should be considered the equivalent of lighting up a cigarette on a plane.
On topic (and discussed already on HN): https://github.com/Pankajtanwarbanna/stfu
There is nothing about a tablet or a flight that requires letting them blast audio at full volume. It’s not even a good experience.
Okay this is ridiculous. One is a fire hazard and the other is not. Do you really need the hyperbole here?
There are a couple of us who have actually seen someone call them out that are warning folks here what commonly happens. I saw someone get attacked with a knife, another commenter here had a gun pulled on him when they asked them to stop. It isn't about the loud music itself, it's that they're openly saying they are king shit, that no one is willing to challenge them, and broadcasting their eagerness to deliver violence upon anyone that might.
The other side of this is that they often do it on places you can't easily escape, like a train car with stops only every 5 minutes. This gives them a very long time to go to town on anyone that might challenges them. Something I've seen with my own eyes when they were asked to tone down the music.
I though the discussion here was about people not using their headphones on airplanes.
I'm well aware of the types you're talking about, but in my experience this has largely changed. It used to be that these sorts were the most common offenders. But now it's just, well, everyone and anyone. For instance I don't think the little, old lady in front of me on the bus the other day was challenging people to violence.
There are angry people playing dominance games on one hand, and on the other people who simply don't care what anybody else wants and will do what they can get away with. There's no difference in intelligence between the two, but only the first type can actually be reasoned with. The second type will only pretend to be reasonable until the person that they're intimidated by leaves the room.
Everybody says "social cues," but as you said, the people who "don't get social cues" also don't seem to "get" direct requests or orders.
This is actually a really good response though. Because the act of having a device blaring demonstrates contempt for everyone one around them. It's hard to act in a hateful way to someone who just offered you something for free.
I'm not sure it's contempt they're expressing, or if they're expressing anything at all. There really are people who enjoy and defend it, too; "it's just a guy playing music, mind your own business." Truly alien.
If you ask such person to stop it is implied they expect you to back that up with violence and you've already consented to a battle.
More like you've already admitted cowardice, which makes you fair game. If it's the music that upsets you, come at me with louder speakers!
On the other hand I did get a chewing out from an older guy for having a conversation with friends on a train once, so some people take it perhaps a bit too serious.
The train car entered a black neighborhood, then a black guy informed him it was his hood and he better knock that shit off. Latino guy immediately pulled out a knife and started swinging.
Yes, because there's been a recent push to more heavily punish good Samaritans than perpetrators. When good men get metaphorically crucified for helping, they stop helping.
If that seems like a common sense outcome of such policies, you're right. But as we've seen time and again, common sense is not a flower that grows in everyone's garden.
Motivated in large part as a response to society saying fuck them. I'm not defending assholes being assholes, but I think what we have been seeing in the US over the last 5 or 10 years is classic collapse of the social contract stuff. The less a society cares about its people the less its people will care about the rest of society.
What I did not know is that he was one of the producers for Voyage Home. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0857130/
Yes, because people have always felt like outsiders in relation to society. My point was that this sort of public misbehaving is getting worse because social cohesion is getting even worse. Not everyone with grievances against society will respond this way, but as more people have grievances against society, more people will respond in a manner like this.
They said “walk out into traffic.” That’s rude. You should wait for a signal or a break in the flow so nobody has to brake for you.
But when there’s a designated crossing area, it’s the responsibility of traffic to stop. Pedestrians should not stand and wait at the intersection for a break in traffic because it’s a confusing signal to drivers. If you’re standing at a designated crosswalk you need to be either signaling your intent to cross or moving away from the crosswalk
Assuming there is no paint on the road an (unmarked) crosswalk may still exist [1] and drivers are supposed to yield to a pedestrian in a marked or unmarked crosswalk [2].
[1]: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio....
[2]: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...
Pretty clear parent meant people who cross against the light / mid-block when there is a crossing 50ft away / stepping in front of the one car on the road when they could look up for one second and step out behind that car etc. in other words the people who put off 'main character' vibes.
No wonder pedestrian deaths are up so much the past few years
People jay walk when there's no traffic all the time, that's totally fine. This is a totally different act of passive aggression.
This is the speed walking equivalent of picking up pennies in front of a steam roller. Saves a min here and then until you pay for it big time.
In my European travels I’ve definitely seen it. It depends entirely on the region. Europe is a big place. I’ve encountered it in Asian countries too. Again, Asia is huge and diverse.
Not coincidentally, it’s the same in the United States. I’ve never seen this on the local commuter train with people traveling to and from work. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen it on a flight (flight attendants did intervene and request they stop).
Let’s not try to make this into another “America bad” topic because this is not a uniquely American problem.
> usually get quickly pointed down by other passengers, personnel or security
I’ve never, not once, heard a member of staff ask someone to use headphones on transport.
So on a crowded bus you've normally got 1 or 2. Behavior is actually much better on airplanes, usually (maybe 1-2 in ~150 passenger plane), and I have never seen someone who did not silence their phone after being asked politely by the attendant.
The last time I had an uncle blast his Doujin feed at full volume next to me, I suggested he lower the volume, he didn't care, so I blasted my own feed at louder volume. He got it then. Sadly people a few rows back did the same on the next train...
I've heard a lot of Cocomelon crap at full volume on planes because I guess parents don't want to have their kids use headphones. I sort of understand it but at the same time I also think it's pretty inconsiderate for the rest of the people on the flight who likely do not want to listen to their kid's awful YouTube show.
In the NYC subway I've seen dozens of people who will blast their terrible music very loudly with a bluetooth speaker. These are full-grown adults. I don't know why they do that, I suspect it would sound better on the train with headphones. Maybe it's some form of evangelism, where they think the music is utterly fantastic that everyone should listen to it.
This was done by my parents when I was a young kid. I wouldn't turn the volume down on my Game Boy on a flight, so my parents took it away from me until I promised to keep the volume down, which I did after that.
Even Switzerland is dirty because cigarette buts are everywhere. It's just that some % of the population are inconsiderate assholes and only heavy enforcement works vs than. Unfortunately this is something our current society is not willing to do.
Correct. Kicking someone off during a flight and not giving them a parachute counts as a regular murder...
"Parachute use to prevent death and major trauma when jumping from aircraft: randomized controlled trial"
https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k5094
Anyway, for those who did not: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCZ86O3PO-U
I mean such a thing I would say equally detracts from the flying experience, so why not also kick those people off?
Edit: not sure why I’m getting downvoted, this is a legitimate question. I genuinely want to hear the justification.
Your comment also presupposes two things: that flatulence is always involuntary and blasting music isn’t. Let’s say I have a form of Tourette’s that forces me to involuntarily blast noise and music and I have medical papers to prove it. Is it okay then?
I would absolutely support it if you could demonstrate that those two things are actually true. My point is: Who gets to decide what’s legitimately an involuntary medical issue and what isn’t, and where is the line that demarcates it? And what is the point of this exercise? It’s to prevent people from forcing everyone else to have a worse experience for their own personal gain, which flatulence is a form of that you could argue, so why is blasting music fundamentally different?
Sounds harsh to you.
Let the market decide.
Vote with your wallet and fly a different airline.
Now given that, do you really want to pay the extra cost of flying with 300 parachutes just so mr-full-volume-phone can have one?
the first time
I got a SARS virus flying to Udon Thani in 2019. We were seated next to two thai guys who were so sick they could barely sit up straight. We offered them help and treats because they looked like they were about to vomit.
Plane lands, next day I'm sick. I was laid up for 2 weeks with fever, the shits, and I had a weird spontaneous cough for over 1 month after I got better.
I bet most of that plane got sick, and it was so damn avoidable.
It'll never happen becasue everything around travel is to hard to reschedule.
Difficult for the airline to do given the myriad of health privacy adjacents.
That is to say, do you really want a federal law passed about this? I vote we go with social shaming. Worked for cigarettes.
https://github.com/Pankajtanwarbanna/stfu
I was hiking in Zion. Large sign: be quiet, owls are nesting.
Multiple people with those speakers hanging off of their backpack: we don't care.
And even the rangers don't feel empowered to say anything anymore.
Bus, sure. On beaches and streets you have the option of moving away. It’s obnoxious. But in the same category as a large group walking slowly.
Idk, they’re not looking for “a peaceful place” and are using a public space without damaging it. Nobody is forced to use the park at the same time as them. This seems like a difference in preferences which is fine.
James Q. Wilson talked about this problem a long time ago... and why standard neighborhood shaming cannot really police it. Maybe there is an increasingly different set of norms among different generations which is why you have a breakdown in manners and even high school kids from affluent areas hitting "devious licks."
You can’t leave a plane. And planes aren’t for recreation. I like quiet parks. But parks aren’t some natural creation, they’re entirely manmade. I’m okay with other people having different thoughts on how to recreate.
> Maybe there is an increasingly different set of norms among different generations
Older people have been complaining about kids with boomboxes and skateboards for generations.
? That does not at all match my experience with parks.
But besides that, I am not sure how it would support your argument.
Yes, and the crime spike of the 1960s started with boomers reaching 15-20. You can follow that to cookie monster pajamas in Walmart.
People who cannot figure out how to share use of shared space should lose access to those places.
Arrest them on board, handcuff them and lead them away in handcuffs at the destination. No sympathy from me, especially since the only way the handcuffs route is going to happen is if the passenger in questions ignores the instructions from the flight crew.
I also have to note that on most flights, whether domestic or international, the it's already a criminal offence to ignore an instruction from the flight crew. The airline here did not need to make publish a new rule, they could have simply had the flight crew inform the annoying passenger.