If 99% of adults have an abnormality, it ceases to be abnormal regardless of its effects
Insanity 49 minutes ago [-]
That's actually what the article points out. But I do think the language of normal vs abnormal obfuscates some of the intent. It's a 'deviation from healthy baseline' that they're talking about, and there are multiple such deviations in the grouped 'anomalies'.
From the article:
The language in particular should change given that “abnormalities” are ubiquitous—thus normal—and shouldn’t be described in terms that indicate a need for repair, like “tear.”
amelius 39 minutes ago [-]
99% of adults have abnormal faces, they all look different!
mghackerlady 29 minutes ago [-]
Ok, in that case it's safe to say that the normal is highly variant but generally follows a pattern. People generally have a nose in the center of their face so that'd be normal, but one on the forehead would be abnormal unless everyone suddenly also had forehead noses
iso1631 10 minutes ago [-]
Relevant history from the US Airforce in the 1940s when they tried to build a cockpit for the average pilot and failed
Dude I know exactly who you're talking about, that guy without a unique face! Weird as hell that he's the only one...
newsclues 23 minutes ago [-]
Everyone is abnormal compared to yourself.
dijit 28 minutes ago [-]
I think the conclusion they're eluding to in the article is that: "if MRI says 99% of people have abnormalities, MRI is not trustworthy".
brandall10 45 minutes ago [-]
Right, it's clearly aging related deterioration. It's like saying facial wrinkles are an abnormality.
diydsp 41 minutes ago [-]
Yes in one sense, but it also points to the insufficency of "normalness". See also: The Average Soldier.
hinkley 31 minutes ago [-]
There’s a famous case study in design about the Average Pilot - they were making airplanes than nobody could fly well because nobody was average enough in all physical dimensions to be comfortable in the aircraft. They had to design for ranges that the equipment could adjust through.
Even then when I was a kid I knew a guy who wanted to join the air force and he had a growth spurt that made him too tall.
Not if they are all different and produce negative effects
cies 43 minutes ago [-]
Dunno man. When enough people overweight, 1-2 alcoholic drink become healthy (alcohol is a blood thinner): this happened, but as we know now it's not true.
Qem 38 minutes ago [-]
> alcohol is a blood thinner
Source?
hinkley 29 minutes ago [-]
Alcohol reduces clotting factors in the blood. This is known.
Doctors mostly tell you not to drink because it’ll fuck with the anesthesia math and bad anesthesia doses can kill you just as dead as a surgical mistake and probably moreso. But it’ll also make you bleed more.
If you need courage to show up to surgery they’ll give you a prescription for a single dose of a benzo. Which is better than liquid courage anyway.
ASalazarMX 52 minutes ago [-]
"1% of adults over 40 have abnormally normal shoulders"
laurex 28 minutes ago [-]
Given that most commenters do not seem to have read the article perhaps the headline could be more explicit about 'MRIs find "abnormalities" but they seem to have no relationship to actual health problems"
kbelder 1 hours ago [-]
Who's the freak without an abnormality?
diydsp 40 minutes ago [-]
Im guessing certain gym rats who also dont desk/computer work?
elzbardico 19 minutes ago [-]
I would strongly bet against gym rats not having some should abnormality. If anything, I'd expect them to have more issues with their tendons and ligaments.
laughing_man 39 minutes ago [-]
More likely someone who's been in a coma for the last ten years.
bogzz 35 minutes ago [-]
Oh hey it's me, I'm the conformist. Stop picking on me.
racl101 52 minutes ago [-]
Most of my shoulder issues are sleep related since I sleep on my side. Getting a body pillow system, was costly but kinda worth it. Helps with shoulder and GERD. Only issue is that it's kinda warm and I like to sleep cool.
mgiampapa 45 minutes ago [-]
The issue with those inclined pillows with the arm hole in them is that they can be a really hard angle for a side sleeper to be at. It makes my back and hips hurt way worse than my shoulder.
dralley 39 minutes ago [-]
Any recommendations? I have GERD and generally sleep on my back, which helps but isn't perfect.
cactusplant7374 18 minutes ago [-]
Cervical radiculopathy can cause shoulder pain. I have experienced this quite a bit and it's probably also because of my sleeping style. I wouldn't get an MRI unless I was planning to have surgery.
ASalazarMX 50 minutes ago [-]
> was costly but kinda worth it
This doesn't inspire confidence, but I guess any improvement that mitigates pain is nice.
But seriously, the article addressesd that
> The authors argue that the findings suggest clinicians should rethink MRI findings, changing not just how they’re used, but also how they’re explained to patients. The language in particular should change given that “abnormalities” are ubiquitous—thus normal—and shouldn’t be described in terms that indicate a need for repair, like “tear.”
nickjj 23 minutes ago [-]
Do they define if this relates to anything noticeable in your day to day?
For example, I can put my right hand above my shoulder and left hand near my lower back and easily connect both hands behind my back with fully interlocked fingers by converging in the middle. They reach to the other hand's palm.
But I can only barely touch my fingers with both hands if I switch it up so my left hand is up top.
I have no pain or day to day mobility issues but something is lopsided. Is that what they consider abnormal?
Glyptodon 46 minutes ago [-]
I don't know what causes it, but even without major issues I think a lot of people continually loose range of motion in the shoulder as they age. So this doesn't surprise me.
daringrain32781 18 minutes ago [-]
Reading this title made me sit up in my chair.
radicalbyte 49 minutes ago [-]
I have three kids and they've messed up my dominant schoulder (left).
darth_avocado 9 minutes ago [-]
I have three dogs and they’ve messed up my dominant shoulder, back and leg
p00dles 45 minutes ago [-]
From walking around holding them with your left arm when they were babies, or from something else?
radicalbyte 6 minutes ago [-]
Walking/carrying at all crazy hours once they were >30kg. Holding 40kg of sick kid around is fun. Ours all refused to sit in the stroller very early which is what made it so much worse (our oldest was two, the other two refused point blank the second they could walk).
dhaivat 13 minutes ago [-]
not OP but - walking, carrying, holding, being pulled in random directions, catching kids when they jump at you from unexpected places, kids using your arms to practice tug-of-war/rock-climbing, pushing (empty) stroller with one hand, and carrying kid with other....
Even though they never have any neck pain, many shoulder issues are actually caused by pinched nerves in the cervical spine.
TacticalCoder 34 minutes ago [-]
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Flavius 1 hours ago [-]
You call it "abnormality", I call it evolution. We are not the same.
dylan604 59 minutes ago [-]
How many generations of constant bent over posture staring at a device before that's just built into the species?
plufz 57 minutes ago [-]
Im not sure people with bad posture get more offspring than others. :)
dylan604 44 minutes ago [-]
The pickins are getting slim though. I don't know anyone in their 20s that doesn't sit hunched over staring at a screen for a large portion of their day while stipulating I don't know any where near all 20 somethings. Just one person's observations
mgiampapa 43 minutes ago [-]
If I learned anything at Buy N Large University, AR screens in eyeware may be huge.
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From the article:
The language in particular should change given that “abnormalities” are ubiquitous—thus normal—and shouldn’t be described in terms that indicate a need for repair, like “tear.”
I find this an interesting take on the story
https://polkas.github.io/posts/cursedim/
Even then when I was a kid I knew a guy who wanted to join the air force and he had a growth spurt that made him too tall.
Source?
Doctors mostly tell you not to drink because it’ll fuck with the anesthesia math and bad anesthesia doses can kill you just as dead as a surgical mistake and probably moreso. But it’ll also make you bleed more.
If you need courage to show up to surgery they’ll give you a prescription for a single dose of a benzo. Which is better than liquid courage anyway.
This doesn't inspire confidence, but I guess any improvement that mitigates pain is nice.
But seriously, the article addressesd that
> The authors argue that the findings suggest clinicians should rethink MRI findings, changing not just how they’re used, but also how they’re explained to patients. The language in particular should change given that “abnormalities” are ubiquitous—thus normal—and shouldn’t be described in terms that indicate a need for repair, like “tear.”
For example, I can put my right hand above my shoulder and left hand near my lower back and easily connect both hands behind my back with fully interlocked fingers by converging in the middle. They reach to the other hand's palm.
But I can only barely touch my fingers with both hands if I switch it up so my left hand is up top.
I have no pain or day to day mobility issues but something is lopsided. Is that what they consider abnormal?