The argument is like it is unethical to lock my front door because this also stops people which genuinely only want to enter to have a look at my living room.
That's not how boundaries work.
RiverCrochet 2 days ago [-]
"Front door" is to "entering" as "plain HTTP request (public)" is to "authenticated HTTP request (login)."
An AI that is randomly guessing passwords to an authentication/login endpoint is clearly malicious.
I think it's more like this:
Is it unethical to lock/obstruct the public sidewalk in front of your house because it blocks people who only want to pass by and look at the house?
rolph 2 days ago [-]
thats right, no AI queries, means exactly that.
just like signs such as no trespassing: active shooting range; or apiary[bee] yard; or open shaft mines, means that exactly, and in my region, signage is sufficient no gate or fence required.
every so often someone thinks they are too important for that to apply and they find out the signage is no joke when they encounter the target line, and backstop being hit from somewhere uprange; or violate the space of a bee hive; or fall into a shaft. some even have the nerve to complain this is a threat.
robots.txt == no trespassing == stay out unless invited
traspler 2 days ago [-]
„Hey I have this nice picture in my living room. If you want to see it just come by.“ - People actually do. - „How dare they!“
2 days ago [-]
HardwareLust 2 days ago [-]
Note that this is a major plot point in Cyberpunk 2077 lore.
aorth 1 days ago [-]
Most of this reads as disingenuous to me. Not all of us have the capacity or skill to scale so we need to take drastic measures to keep services up.
I do believe in and love the open web. But the AI scrapers need to change, not me! They're the ones with the money and the 10x engineers (apparently). Read my sitemap and crawl my content from one IP, don't just haphazardly crawl and click every damn link and search term from hundreds or thousands of IPs every day!
hn_acker 2 days ago [-]
The original title is:
> We're Walling Off The Open Internet To Stop AI—And It May End Up Breaking Everything Else
blibble 2 days ago [-]
> We’re creating a two-tier internet: sites that can be found and accessed through modern tools, and sites that can’t. Guess which tier will thrive?
the former tier will shortly be 100% AI slop, so the latter
personally I'd be willing to sacrifice the internet if it renders generative AI impotent
there are many possible futures that are bleaker than a world without internet
altairprime 2 days ago [-]
We did just fine before crawlers had indexed the internet. We’ll do just fine without them. It will be more difficult to find answers, and it will be more difficult to hate communities. Double win.
JohnFen 2 days ago [-]
genAI itself is rapidly rendering large portions of the web worthless and/or unsustainable, so it seems that the web is doomed either way.
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That's not how boundaries work.
An AI that is randomly guessing passwords to an authentication/login endpoint is clearly malicious.
I think it's more like this:
Is it unethical to lock/obstruct the public sidewalk in front of your house because it blocks people who only want to pass by and look at the house?
just like signs such as no trespassing: active shooting range; or apiary[bee] yard; or open shaft mines, means that exactly, and in my region, signage is sufficient no gate or fence required.
every so often someone thinks they are too important for that to apply and they find out the signage is no joke when they encounter the target line, and backstop being hit from somewhere uprange; or violate the space of a bee hive; or fall into a shaft. some even have the nerve to complain this is a threat.
robots.txt == no trespassing == stay out unless invited
I do believe in and love the open web. But the AI scrapers need to change, not me! They're the ones with the money and the 10x engineers (apparently). Read my sitemap and crawl my content from one IP, don't just haphazardly crawl and click every damn link and search term from hundreds or thousands of IPs every day!
> We're Walling Off The Open Internet To Stop AI—And It May End Up Breaking Everything Else
the former tier will shortly be 100% AI slop, so the latter
personally I'd be willing to sacrifice the internet if it renders generative AI impotent
there are many possible futures that are bleaker than a world without internet