Why does this reference Lovable at all? The tagline for this project is "Clone and recreate any website as a modern React app in seconds" and requires a FIRECRAWL_API_KEY in order to perform the necessary scraping.
Lovable is more of a self-contained LLM chat which creates a new react site with optional supabase integration.
BenGosub 101 days ago [-]
Firecrawl is a highly dubious company. Their job ads for bot "agents" seemed like a try to get free labour.
cal85 101 days ago [-]
Wait is this a Lovable clone that is actually called open-lovable? That seems bold
rbren 101 days ago [-]
Having started OpenDevin (now OpenHands [1]) I can say it's definitely worth renaming. It's very limiting attaching your branding to someone else's
maybe the best optimal strategy is leech into the brand while you're unknown, and switch to your own once you make it.
A bit sleazy but it works eh
Can't fight marketing and human psychology
swyx 98 days ago [-]
imitation = sincere flattery etc
tough 97 days ago [-]
yes that's the benevolent take,but in a market for attention, it feels like a bit of a vampire attack to a brand to spun off OpenBrand.
seems some what of a template now, OpenCut was recently on HN because some chinese company already owns their trademark, which is a pun/open version of CapCut, so things are getting a bit hairy at least, lol
ErikBjare 100 days ago [-]
I still sometimes have to refer to OpenHands as "formerly known as OpenDevin". It may be limiting in the long run, but it definitely had some short-term punchiness.
echelon 101 days ago [-]
It gets you some quick attention.
The people that need to notice will follow.
toddmorey 101 days ago [-]
It's not really an "open lovable". I mean, there is of course a NextJS repo as part of it, but you need to bring your own API keys to an AI provider, as well as e2b.dev (sandbox, required) as well as firecrawl.dev (web scraping, oddly required).
It's the web scraping more than anything that makes me the least enthusiastic. I get that's the core of their business, but packaged this way, it's much less a loveable-style "build your vision" and more a "quickly copy another site". Just serving as a copy machine is the least interesting use of all this insane compute.
With “open” being such a common word, I wonder if that one might actually get a pass. And if not, then maybe open-squared-ai.
Uehreka 101 days ago [-]
It feels like a common thing in the AI space (moreso than other OSS spaces). People don’t get how trademarks work and that you can’t just name your project after something that’s already popular. I think some people think it’s a clever growth hack.
also trademark registration is not remotely relevant here
yencabulator 101 days ago [-]
What do you mean? It's literally the legal mechanism by which Lovable Labs Incorporated can prevent this guy from calling his thing open-lovable.
SonOfLilit 101 days ago [-]
Registering your trademark makes enforcement easier, but there's a reason both TM and R exist - unregistered trademarks still hold power.
yencabulator 101 days ago [-]
Sure. But for a company with a lot of money at stake, filing a trademark application isn't a huge bar and makes winning the legal case a lot easier.
cal85 101 days ago [-]
nope, fire your lawyer. you get a common law trademark by trading under a name. no need to register it. TM registration is just to streamline big corps chasing after lots of small abusers in a wackamole way, that’s all. if the abuse in question is as egregious as “I used their product name, barely modified, to market my own thing, which is not just in the same general market but a literal clone of their product” then a judge is not going to say “Ah but I see they didn’t send in a form to register their trademark, so yeah carry on with blatantly stealing their work lol”
bravesoul2 101 days ago [-]
I feel like "also trademark registration is not remotely relevant here" is a distracting statement then. Not necessarily wrong but easy for people to bikeshed over.
cal85 100 days ago [-]
fair I retract “is not remotely relevant here” and offer “is not really relevant here”
yencabulator 101 days ago [-]
Lovable is a $1.8 B valuation company with $75 M ARR. Using some thousands of dollars to defend that stake sounds reasonable.
aziis98 101 days ago [-]
I didn't know about https://e2b.dev/ but I was looking for something exactly like that. Does anyone know about any self hostable alternatives?
Can we run an agent in Github CI? I create a Github issue with my requirements, the CI runner runs Aider scripting mode (it connects to say, OpenAI api) which looks at the comments, maintains a branch, runs tests, takes browser screenshots and then gives its replies.
Great initiative! I'd love to see this project build a community around it. Quick question, what do you need Firecrawl for?
ulrischa 101 days ago [-]
Why would I do this? It would be better to have an app that turns a react app into a native web app. Speculation rules and page transitions make it possible already.
mosfets 101 days ago [-]
Reminds of me of tools like https://huu.la, the main difference is newer generations focuses on utilizing LLM to map design to code, versus the older generations focus on using WYSWYG tooling to edit the page directly.
bravesoul2 101 days ago [-]
Can I run the whole chain FOSS? Firecrawl, this (maybe the LLM can be local too?)
Lovable is more of a self-contained LLM chat which creates a new react site with optional supabase integration.
[1] https://github.com/All-Hands-AI/OpenHands
(hi btw! see GP's talk on OpenHands here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_hhkJtlbSs&t=4s)
A bit sleazy but it works eh
Can't fight marketing and human psychology
seems some what of a template now, OpenCut was recently on HN because some chinese company already owns their trademark, which is a pun/open version of CapCut, so things are getting a bit hairy at least, lol
The people that need to notice will follow.
It's the web scraping more than anything that makes me the least enthusiastic. I get that's the core of their business, but packaged this way, it's much less a loveable-style "build your vision" and more a "quickly copy another site". Just serving as a copy machine is the least interesting use of all this insane compute.
I am reminded of OpenNext (https://opennext.js.org/) even though Vercel has a Next.js trademark.
https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=99194755&caseSearchType=U...
It shouldn't be too hard to get a Firecracker orchestrator running locally - the articles here were very helpful when I was doing this myself: https://jvns.ca/blog/2021/01/23/firecracker--start-a-vm-in-l...
https://aider.chat/docs/scripting.html
we host it for https://www.definite.app/. You'd need pretty heavy usage to beat e2b's pricing.